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Which is why junior and senior talent alike are forced back into the office. Except that tenured senior and staff employees from the boom times are in the San F
by closeparen 4mo ago
Which is why junior and senior talent alike are forced back into the office. Except that tenured senior and staff employees from the boom times are in the San Francisco office, but all the new grad hires from the last 2-4 years are in various third world offices. And neither of them can get conference rooms, so everybody's on Zoom at their desk all day, trying to be heard over their neighbors.
- hibikir 4mo agoSo man companies that are doing RTO are in no way trying to reorg to make teams stay colocated, it's rather puzzling. I know a UK manager with only reports in the different parts of the americas, and there's never more than 2 in the same city, so for all intents and purposes, the teams are just fully remote but stuck badging in. And that's after a reorg this april, where many US managers got laid off. Along with trends like having line managers be in charge of 20+ direct reports, it leaves people scratching their heads.
- MagicMoonlight 4mo ago[flagged]
- wqaatwt 4mo agoOr.. they might have enjoyed their time at the office and want the new generation to have that experience as well: D
- RHSeeger 4mo agoAnd both of them are wrong, because they _should_ be trying to figure out what works best for the person; not what worked best for _them_ and forcing it on the person.
- knollimar 4mo agoEh, there could be some people who prefer WFH but would benefit productively from RTO. It's about what as a policy is best, not for individuals. I think the issue is when people conflate best for them with best ad policy
- RHSeeger 4mo agoThere main problem, at least in my experience, is that there's a direct conflict in it - There are people that work better from home and get more done there - There are people that work better in the office, with people around them Regardless of which you pick, you're going to make one of those groups less productive. I do agree that some people who want one thing but work better with the other. It's on the manager(s) to figure out which works before; for each individual and for the team.
- skinfaxi 4mo agoA lot of people are of the mind of "well I had to do it so why shouldn't you?" Look at the discussions around student loan forgiveness for an example.
- wqaatwt 4mo agoBecause loan forgiveness makes no sense at all until the underlying system is fixed. It’s just absurd. Cap fees and interest rates and the think about partial income based forgiveness. The English system seems like a very reasonable compromise.
- zmmmmm 4mo agoYeah ... my org immediately stopped provisioning space for new employees once we had remote and could desk-share, so when RTO idea came up, the first thing that stopped it was we physically have only about 50% of the desks we need now. It's now actually awkward when we hire someone new and they want to work in the office because we have to explain we actually physically can't accommodate that. But still there are people who preach RTO as if all the desks are just waiting there. I think all the benefits of remote work are just taken for granted now and people just see downsides.
- jansan 4mo agoGood thing there are companies outside San Francisco, too. Actually, almost every company is not in San Francisco if you think about it.
- teaearlgraycold 4mo agoMy brain can't understand companies not in San Francisco.
- closeparen 4mo agoWhat happened to onshore development in Silicon Valley in 2022 happened to corporate America’s IT departments in the early 2000s.