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> just ask anyone who runs a more popular site The person you're responding to already said they ran a modestly sized site. What actual scale opens one up to a
by handoflixue 5mo ago
> just ask anyone who runs a more popular site
The person you're responding to already said they ran a modestly sized site. What actual scale opens one up to abuse? If only the top 1% of sites need it, then it seems silly to say "everyone" needs it.
- daishi55 5mo agoSo everyone is paying cloudflare… why?
- fragmede 5mo agoMost likely not. Their free tier is fairly generous.
- tardedmeme 5mo agoBecause paying with MITM is far less visible than paying with money
- LgWoodenBadger 5mo agoBecause charging for bandwidth/traffic is still a thing, unfortunately
- ceejayoz 5mo agoIt’s not just scale. Do you accept user generated content? If so, more of a target.
- wizzwizz4 5mo agoStack Overflow was outside of the Cloudflare network for years, and anti-abuse was maybe 3 or 4 full-time jobs – much of which still needs to be done, because Cloudflare's anti-bot protection hasn't actually stopped it. Most UGC sites are not as big as Stack Overflow was at its peak.
- black_puppydog 5mo agoerrr... so anything related to UGC now has a lower bound of 3-4 FTE? Sure, I'll hire a team of content moderators next time I think about putting a comment form under my blog...
- Dylan16807 5mo agoPlease read their last sentence again and think about how much it understates the difference between stack overflow in its prime and a normal website. Also the "much of which still needs to be done".
- GoblinSlayer 5mo agoYes? Cloudflare doesn't replace moderators. At all. It only allegedly filters bot generated content, it doesn't filter user generated content and doesn't even intend to.
- ceejayoz 5mo agoMost UGC sites also don't have a horde of volunteer mods voting to close/delete things.
- wizzwizz4 5mo agoI'm referring specifically to the activities of Charcoal (https://charcoal-se.org/ https://charcoal-se.org/) and their Stack Exchange staff counterparts, taken together. This is about large-scale platform abuse, of the sort that Cloudflare is alleged to prevent (but doesn't, really), not the more mundane (and laborious) task of manual quality control.