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If people keep suggesting solutions that were tried and failed of course other people will point that out. 1930-s Gosplan, 1950-s Gosplan, OGAS, Cybersyn, they

by lstodd 5mo ago

If people keep suggesting solutions that were tried and failed of course other people will point that out. 1930-s Gosplan, 1950-s Gosplan, OGAS, Cybersyn, they all failed. Come up with something new maybe?

weakfish 5mo ago
My point is that they’re not the same thing and it’s an attempt to link two things that are loosely related, at best. “Come up with something new maybe?” Is a trite attempt at belittling a conversation that is seeking knowledge and frankly just annoying.
- EA-3167 5mo ago
  It’s a desperate attempt by people who understand that identifying huge problems in the easy part. So much of life is just people thinking that by identifying the problem they’re 99% of the way to fixing it. But apply this to something you understand in detail, unlike a whole society. “That guy has a bad heart, better fix it!” That’s something that doesn’t need to be said, never mind repeated like a solution to a hard problem.
Thlom 5mo ago
Cybersyn was an experiment and we don't really know if it would have worked or not because the USA arranged for a military coup to destroy it ...
- lstodd 5mo ago
  I think later systems were at a core an attempt to implement something like high-frequency (which is a misnomer, it's more like low-latency) trading over 1960-70s tech at a scope that we still have no means to do now, in 2020s. "trading" was ideologically prohibited term which didn't help any. And the whole centralized approach cannot scale. So there you have it: it can't work, please bring new ideas.
  - weakfish 5mo ago
    It's impossible to debate a topic with someone who takes anecdotes, declares it is proof of something and then says smugly "there you have it!"
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- DoctorOetker 5mo ago
  I think people could try social experiments and compare the productivity differences resulting from different management styles on LLMs instead of humans.

by lstodd 5mo ago

weakfish 5mo ago

My point is that they’re not the same thing and it’s an attempt to link two things that are loosely related, at best. “Come up with something new maybe?” Is a trite attempt at belittling a conversation that is seeking knowledge and frankly just annoying.

EA-3167 5mo ago
It’s a desperate attempt by people who understand that identifying huge problems in the easy part. So much of life is just people thinking that by identifying the problem they’re 99% of the way to fixing it. But apply this to something you understand in detail, unlike a whole society. “That guy has a bad heart, better fix it!” That’s something that doesn’t need to be said, never mind repeated like a solution to a hard problem.

Thlom 5mo ago

Cybersyn was an experiment and we don't really know if it would have worked or not because the USA arranged for a military coup to destroy it ...

lstodd 5mo ago
I think later systems were at a core an attempt to implement something like high-frequency (which is a misnomer, it's more like low-latency) trading over 1960-70s tech at a scope that we still have no means to do now, in 2020s. "trading" was ideologically prohibited term which didn't help any. And the whole centralized approach cannot scale. So there you have it: it can't work, please bring new ideas.
- weakfish 5mo ago
  It's impossible to debate a topic with someone who takes anecdotes, declares it is proof of something and then says smugly "there you have it!"
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DoctorOetker 5mo ago
I think people could try social experiments and compare the productivity differences resulting from different management styles on LLMs instead of humans.