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“Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance

chimeracoder 5mo ago
> “Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance That's certainly not true in many European countries
- lostlogin 5mo ago
  > That's certainly not true in many European countries This suprised me. I’ve hunted for polling and can find plenty showing a plummeting opinion on Israel, but little on internal polling about a Palestinian state.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5mo ago
    Polls are interesting. They depend exclusively on people willing to respond. Let me give you an example of how they don't tell the whole story: In the USA, there are many, many firearms. And there's also a small but very vocal cadre of people who would like to disarm the people. In light of this, if a pollster calls and asks for your opinion on guns, and/or inquires if you have any, a common response is to hang up without answering the questions, due to the possibility that the information will be used against them. The result? They call someone else, and don't count "declined to answer" in their results. So the poll simply is the prevailing opinion of those who wished to answer, and thus is skewed one direction. (BTW, this is why everyone says there are "at least XXX hundred million guns in America; the best they can get is a low estimate) This happens quite a lot with controversial topics.
    - lostlogin 5mo ago
      Is the person hanging up pro or anti gun rights? I get that they aren’t counted but it’s hard to guess their stance. Similarly, it’s always interesting to compare polls to electoral results. The correlation seems to be drifting.
- gpvos 5mo ago
  I'm pretty sure it is. Maybe a little less so in Germany, but even there.
throw3580494 5mo ago
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- megous 5mo ago
  Why? This makes no logical sense. re the second response: Original commenter did not specify exlusivity to jews. So that's my assumption.
  - throw3580494 5mo ago
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    - megous 5mo ago
      Either the person you're telling your opinion about Palestine agrees with you or not. Expressing an opinion about some situation publicly is not hate. And who you're telling your opinion to is irrelevant. You're not telling them to not attack Palestine by shouting "Free Palestine", or anything similar, only that you believe that Palestine should be free, so your comparison is not valid, because it does not contain any hidden assumptions. They might as well agree with you. They can correctly respond by shouting Free Palestine back at you.
      - eldaisfish 5mo ago
        Correct. Expressing your opinion about Palestine to the general public is not hate. Directing the expression of that opinion at random Jewish people, in a targeted manner is hate.
      - throw3580494 5mo ago
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        Aeolun 5mo ago
        I find this very hard to believe. I find it much easier to believe a throwaway account was made specifically to spread some form of zionist propaganda.

> “Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance That's certainly not true in many European countries

lostlogin 5mo ago
> That's certainly not true in many European countries This suprised me. I’ve hunted for polling and can find plenty showing a plummeting opinion on Israel, but little on internal polling about a Palestinian state.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5mo ago
  Polls are interesting. They depend exclusively on people willing to respond. Let me give you an example of how they don't tell the whole story: In the USA, there are many, many firearms. And there's also a small but very vocal cadre of people who would like to disarm the people. In light of this, if a pollster calls and asks for your opinion on guns, and/or inquires if you have any, a common response is to hang up without answering the questions, due to the possibility that the information will be used against them. The result? They call someone else, and don't count "declined to answer" in their results. So the poll simply is the prevailing opinion of those who wished to answer, and thus is skewed one direction. (BTW, this is why everyone says there are "at least XXX hundred million guns in America; the best they can get is a low estimate) This happens quite a lot with controversial topics.
  - lostlogin 5mo ago
    Is the person hanging up pro or anti gun rights? I get that they aren’t counted but it’s hard to guess their stance. Similarly, it’s always interesting to compare polls to electoral results. The correlation seems to be drifting.
gpvos 5mo ago
I'm pretty sure it is. Maybe a little less so in Germany, but even there.

throw3580494 5mo ago

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megous 5mo ago
Why? This makes no logical sense. re the second response: Original commenter did not specify exlusivity to jews. So that's my assumption.
- throw3580494 5mo ago
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  - megous 5mo ago
    Either the person you're telling your opinion about Palestine agrees with you or not. Expressing an opinion about some situation publicly is not hate. And who you're telling your opinion to is irrelevant. You're not telling them to not attack Palestine by shouting "Free Palestine", or anything similar, only that you believe that Palestine should be free, so your comparison is not valid, because it does not contain any hidden assumptions. They might as well agree with you. They can correctly respond by shouting Free Palestine back at you.
    - eldaisfish 5mo ago
      Correct. Expressing your opinion about Palestine to the general public is not hate. Directing the expression of that opinion at random Jewish people, in a targeted manner is hate.
    - throw3580494 5mo ago
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      - Aeolun 5mo ago
        I find this very hard to believe. I find it much easier to believe a throwaway account was made specifically to spread some form of zionist propaganda.