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OpenAI’s models could be materially better than Anthropic’s and I still wouldn’t use them because I don’t want to support Altman.
by bikelang 4mo ago
OpenAI’s models could be materially better than Anthropic’s and I still wouldn’t use them because I don’t want to support Altman.
- orphea 4mo agoDo you think Amodei is different?
- jackmott42 4mo ago[flagged]
- akillibebe 4mo agoThe choice is not binary. I use DeepSeek (paid) for coding, and Qwen (free) for casual stuff from the browser chat UI.
- skizm 4mo agoI mean paying for deepseek is sending money to China, and any company in China is pretty much an extension of the CCP (or can become one at the snap of their fingers). I don't think this is much better or worse than the American AI companies.
- c0rruptbytes 4mo agoI mean, Deepseek is open model, it can be rehosted in the US by anyone, there’s no royalty to china
- Petersipoi 4mo agoDeepseek proper is the only provider offering Deepseek V4 Pro at such an insanely low price. All the other providers are like 5x. If someone says they're using Deepseek, it's probably a safe bet that they're sending money to China. People choose an inferior model (Deepseek) because it's cheaper. Not many people are willing to use Deepseek but also pay the 5x price to have an American company run it for them.
- c0rruptbytes 4mo agoI run Deepseek at home...only people getting money is my electricity company
- ncallaway 4mo agoIt's a testament to how much American companies have been fucking over their own reputations that people would view them as not "better or worse" than an extension of the CCP. A decade ago, just that kind of comparison would've been pretty unthinkable.
- quikoa 4mo agoDeepseek is much cheaper so that means you spend less on CCP than on Anthropic/OpenAI. Then there are third party providers as well.
- mrtesthah 4mo ago>...sending money to China... Have you seen the trade deficit lately?
- buffalobuffalo 4mo agoIf that's a concern, an easy alternative is using companies like novita or fireworks.ai to run open source chinese models. They are incredibly price competitive, have strict data retention policies, and in general are quite fast. Also, you don't get used to a model and suddenly get rug pulled when the provider decide to upgrade.
- nickthegreek 4mo agoyou can use deepseek without giving china a cent if you want.
- BonerWiener 4mo agoWait, people actually pay for DeepSeek?
- wongarsu 4mo agoThe $20/month Claude Code plan has incredibly low rate limits. $20/month of DeepSeek usage buys you a lot. Even more so in hobby projects where usage is bursty, not nicely distributed over a work week
- lostmsu 4mo agoHm, Altman vs China. Peculiar choice.
- surgical_fire 4mo agoAnd honestly, DeepSeek is an excellent model. I am having a better experience using DeepSeek than using Anthropic.
- orphea 4mo agoNot binary, but the parent was talking about OpenAI vs Anthropic.
- nullbio 4mo agoNo. He's worse. Much worse.
- bigthymer 4mo agoWhy?
- nullbio 4mo agoWhy is Altman worse? Dario is constantly fearmongering to generate press, gaslighting, and contradicting himself. Mythos is the most recent example of that. It was never too powerful to release, that was a lie to generate publicity and fear, and an excuse because they didn't have the compute to serve it. People were finding the same bugs and exploits using GPT5.4, GPT5.5, and lesser models. Now all of a sudden, they do have the compute, and now they're saying that Mythos is releasing in the coming weeks. Anthropic is constantly caught up in ethical scandals too. They pump the web full of advertising bots. They steal peoples tokens, punish you for disabling telemetry, blacklist people they don't like. They had remote code execution vulns in their product for nearly a year and secretly buried that fact, no disclosures at all. Here are some of them https://clawd.rip https://clawd.rip They're the least generous with open-source. The most closed off. The most likely to punish you for doing something they disagree with. Whenever OpenAI has issues they reset Codex's rate limits, they've done this every month that I can remember, and sometimes several weeks in a month. When's the last time Anthropic has done that for the many service issues they have had? Never. Not once. Anthropic also never reply to peoples complaints or issues on GH issues, meanwhile the Codex team is very responsive and they actually care about customers user experience. There's more, but you get the point. And yes, obviously not all of this is about Dario himself, but he drives the culture at the company.
- krackers 4mo ago>They're the least generous with open-source. Yes I'm surprised most of the "anthropic stans" don't realize this. It's not like OpenAI is a particular fan of open-source models either, but the way I see it to OpenAI it's a purely calculated pragmatic business decision. They won't release weights for any good models since it'd impact revenue, and they view other open models as competition. But otherwise they're not ideological about it. If there was some really good reason to, they would (and they have, gpt-oss probably as a fig leaf). Sure some of the characterizations of "sama" aren't particularly flattering, but at the same time I think the common thread that he views everything as "just ruthless business" is ultimately beneficial, since rational and pragmatic can be modeled and understood. Anthropic's founding philosophy is built on the premise that only they should control AI because of its danger, only they can be the right stewards, and that open-source models are an existential risk. Oh and the fact that it's Chinese open-source models rather than western models that are "winning" must be keeping them up at night.
- Handy-Man 4mo agoCompared to Scam Altman? Infinitely
- golly_ned 4mo agoAmodei is convinced he's abraham prefiguring AI's christ. Very different than Altman's cold power-seeking. You can always trust someone who's selfish, since they'll always do whatever's in their benefit at all times.
- nmilo 4mo agoIs that better? I'd much rather have someone trying to build a good product to sell to willing buyers at a fair price than some zealot who thinks he's going to usher in the second coming and end the world or something.
- samrus 4mo agoYes
- tornikeo 4mo agoDo you hold any amount of power in the world? A project that people care about, or a deliverable that someone depends on? Just curious how you can afford to care about the guy 7 levels above the men that built and support the API that you buy.
- Schmerika 4mo agoSome people care about things beyond their own immediate self interest. Some don't, and find it hard to believe others really do.
- talkin 4mo agoIt’s also a weird argument. You can only spend your money once, and the affected employees also chose to work for a bell-end like Altman (or Zuck, or Musk)
- wongarsu 4mo agoI enough 'small' senior developers, project managers, product owners, internal IT people take a small stand against OpenAI products, that can still sum up to a notable impact
- yoyohello13 4mo agoWhat is this Sam’s alt account? People can spend money how they wish. SamA is a prick, so I don’t buy from his company. I don’t buy from Microsoft or Oracle either. Giving a company your money is explicitly supporting them and everything they do. Are you going to force me to buy products from people I don’t agree with?
- mountainriver 4mo agoBeing a “prick” is completely inconsequential compared to the massive harm that anthropics views could create. Such as them genuinely believing they are the only ones who should control AI. What could possibly go wrong?