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This whole thing is eye-searingly performative. Whether or not he follows through and goes dark after this, this farewell is just so ridiculous. Claims to have

by latkin 4mo ago

This whole thing is eye-searingly performative. Whether or not he follows through and goes dark after this, this farewell is just so ridiculous. Claims to have not used the internet or a phone since February, does all communication via USPS, declares that AI and social media make him hate himself... But somehow is continuing to post on Bluesky, continuing to update his blog, continuing to post YouTube videos, continuing to solicit donations on GoFundMe for personal matters. The account that posted this link to HN is brand new and this is the only submission -- hmm... If you are serious about being done with tech and plan to go off-grid, you just go off grid. Need to tie off some loose ends first? Write a paper letter to your IRL inner circle and/or business partners. Get it copied at Kinkos. Call people (use a land line if you need) and talk to them about it. Just this last time (you swear!) you absolutely must announce this at internet scale? Then walk the walk and minimize the tech involved by typing out your farewell in plain text and posting it directly. Y'know, like we did pre-AI, pre-social media. Don't pull out a typewriter, write a sappy "Dear Internet" letter, add a bunch of likely-pre-planned "edits" in red pen, pull out your digital camera, take a photo, transfer it to your laptop, carefully adjust and crop, then finally combine it into a multimedia update that you go out of your way to promote across multiple social media channels. This announcement has obviously been tailored for maximum social media engagement -- supposedly the thing they are making a principled stand in opposition to.

fontain 4mo ago
Your cynicism is misplaced, Chad has been a fixture on HN for well over a decade. He said he has been offline in his personal life since February, not his professional life. His BlueSky is professional. He quit his job and will be offline completely following the handover.
- socalgal2 4mo ago
  a distinction without a difference.
- sgt 4mo ago
  We're IT people, we often work 14 hours a day. How does that not mix into your personal life?
  - mike-cardwell 4mo ago
    Working 14 hours a day isn't normal. From an IT person who works 8 hours a day.
    - sgt 4mo ago
      Think it might be normal for the HN crowd, founders etc.
- latkin 4mo ago
  > His BlueSky is professional. It's plainly not. https://bsky.app/profile/chadwhitacre.com/post/3mmvzmugfqk2g https://bsky.app/profile/chadwhitacre.com/post/3mmvzmugfqk2g "my good friend Dana could really use some help paying for major dental work. <gofundme link>" His latest YouTube post, from 2 weeks after the alleged go-dark date, is also all about his personal plan to walk away from tech. Needed to make sure there is a GoPro in his face while he talks about how low-tech he yearns to be. Needs to make sure everyone on the internet sees HD digital footage of him tapping on a typewriter, carving a stamp by hand, and switching to paper bank statements. > Your cynicism is misplaced, Chad has been a fixture on HN for well over a decade I don't doubt it. I also don't doubt the claims in other comments that he has made incredible contributions to open source, is a good, kind person, and so forth. He deserves immense credit for these things. None of that negates the fact that this is an incredibly performative and hypocritical way to make this particular transition. Defending it by pointing out his other virtues is just a reverse ad hominem.
  - fontain 4mo ago
    You initially suggested that there was something suspicious about this being posted on HN. If you want to walk that back, okay, but doesn't that poorly judged initial sentiment undermine your cynicism? Yes, of course this is "performative". Publishing is performance. Chad is, obviously, performing for his audience in sharing this, he wants to get his perspective out into the world. Given Chad's decade plus of leading by example, embracing his ideals, it is important to know that he is a person of integrity when reading his words. Could this be a grand lie to some strange end? Sure, I guess, but everyone who knows Chad knows that he is exactly the type of person to mean everything in this letter in earnest. His blog was part of his job. His job was an open source advocate, he was responsible for talking about open source. He posted on BlueSky in his role as an advocate for open source. Adding in a GoFundMe link that someone emailed to him on a post that got a bunch of attention doesn't undermine his point, at all. A "hypocritical way to make this particular transition"? He's not advocating for you to make the same transition. He's not espousing moral superiority because he made this transition and you didn't. Life is messy, complicated, difficult, it's not "hypocritical" to... have a BlueSky account as part of your job while announcing you're stepping away from technology. https://openpath.quest/2024/welcome-to-open-path/ https://openpath.quest/2024/welcome-to-open-path/ "I work for Sentry, and my job requires me to be a “thought leader,” so I need a platform."
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patcon 4mo ago
Chad is one of the most high-integrity persons I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. He is not fucking around for clicks in any shallow sense. I agree with the sibling comment that your cynicism is deeply misplaced imho. I mean, you can be cynical for whatever reasons, but I just think you'd be assuming (and participating in and perpetuating) a game Chad isn't playing.
- repelsteeltje 4mo ago
  Well, at least the way he handless the typewriter and scribbles seems somewhat performative. If it's just a draft version, he seems capable of handling the typing hammers very professionally, adding online corrections staying within margins. Seems way more seasoned in typing, than most typist of those days. And yet, he can't find the time or patience to retype the piece without typos as a final version? I don't know the man and don't doubt his sincerity. I even agree with most of what he's saying. But it's pretty obvious imo that this is all somewhat performative.
  - timcambrant 4mo ago
    Doing performative things is not in conflict with expressing ourselves publicly. People create art and write in various ways and they are free to do so. If he wants to announce to the world that he's leaving the Internet (which is more of a meaningful expression than doing it quietly, for sure) then he can be creative about it without it invalidating his purpose. He could have even posted a photo or a poem along with the message and I don't think that would make it less meaningful. I would hope that creative expression doesn't die just because we now have tools that lets us express ourselves flawlessly, if we choose to use those tool.
    - repelsteeltje 4mo ago
      That's also true
- latkin 4mo ago
  > He is not fucking around for clicks in any shallow sense. He is undeniably "fucking around for clicks." When you don't want clicks, you don't cross-post to YouTube, BlueSky, LinkedIn, your blog, etc. Clearly a lot of effort went into making this announcement social media friendly and click-worthy. He has analytics on his blog to track how many clicks he gets. Whether it's in a "shallow sense" or not is subjective and there's no way to really argue against that. Do I think he's karma-obsessed and drooling over engagement dashboards? No. And maybe that's what you mean. But you have to be willfully naive to deny the irony in deploying numerous completely unnecessary layers of tech, over numerous social media channels, to let everyone know that you no longer want tech and social media in your life.
witx 4mo ago
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insane_dreamer 4mo ago
so much conjecture in your post > If you are serious about being done with tech and plan to go off-grid, you just go off grid. says who? you?
- 0______0 4mo ago
  >says who? you? Yes, says exactly them. You have a problem with people's own opinions in their own comments? Should they somehow reflect your opinion instead?
  - insane_dreamer 4mo ago
    I do not; but you didn't express it as just your opinion; instead your post was full of dogma that tech workers going offline are supposed to adhere to
    - shawn_w 4mo ago
      You're replying to someone other than the original commenter...
      - insane_dreamer 4mo ago
        oops, hadn't noticed the change in handle
graypegg 4mo ago
Eh, everything these days is coated in a thick sheen of polish. I think maybe the thing that's off about this is the irony in someone announcing that they will no longer be announcing anything... but even then, I don't see how that's worth getting eye-searingly wound-up about. There's people out there farming social media engagement for their wellness tiktok account by telling people to use their phone less. That has the potential to cause actual harm, rather than just pad an ego. Those folks actually sear my eyes.
andai 4mo ago
If you find a way to escape the Matrix... do you go back and help?

by latkin 4mo ago

fontain 4mo ago

Your cynicism is misplaced, Chad has been a fixture on HN for well over a decade. He said he has been offline in his personal life since February, not his professional life. His BlueSky is professional. He quit his job and will be offline completely following the handover.

socalgal2 4mo ago
a distinction without a difference.
sgt 4mo ago
We're IT people, we often work 14 hours a day. How does that not mix into your personal life?
- mike-cardwell 4mo ago
  Working 14 hours a day isn't normal. From an IT person who works 8 hours a day.
  - sgt 4mo ago
    Think it might be normal for the HN crowd, founders etc.
latkin 4mo ago
> His BlueSky is professional. It's plainly not. https://bsky.app/profile/chadwhitacre.com/post/3mmvzmugfqk2g https://bsky.app/profile/chadwhitacre.com/post/3mmvzmugfqk2g "my good friend Dana could really use some help paying for major dental work. <gofundme link>" His latest YouTube post, from 2 weeks after the alleged go-dark date, is also all about his personal plan to walk away from tech. Needed to make sure there is a GoPro in his face while he talks about how low-tech he yearns to be. Needs to make sure everyone on the internet sees HD digital footage of him tapping on a typewriter, carving a stamp by hand, and switching to paper bank statements. > Your cynicism is misplaced, Chad has been a fixture on HN for well over a decade I don't doubt it. I also don't doubt the claims in other comments that he has made incredible contributions to open source, is a good, kind person, and so forth. He deserves immense credit for these things. None of that negates the fact that this is an incredibly performative and hypocritical way to make this particular transition. Defending it by pointing out his other virtues is just a reverse ad hominem.
- fontain 4mo ago
  You initially suggested that there was something suspicious about this being posted on HN. If you want to walk that back, okay, but doesn't that poorly judged initial sentiment undermine your cynicism? Yes, of course this is "performative". Publishing is performance. Chad is, obviously, performing for his audience in sharing this, he wants to get his perspective out into the world. Given Chad's decade plus of leading by example, embracing his ideals, it is important to know that he is a person of integrity when reading his words. Could this be a grand lie to some strange end? Sure, I guess, but everyone who knows Chad knows that he is exactly the type of person to mean everything in this letter in earnest. His blog was part of his job. His job was an open source advocate, he was responsible for talking about open source. He posted on BlueSky in his role as an advocate for open source. Adding in a GoFundMe link that someone emailed to him on a post that got a bunch of attention doesn't undermine his point, at all. A "hypocritical way to make this particular transition"? He's not advocating for you to make the same transition. He's not espousing moral superiority because he made this transition and you didn't. Life is messy, complicated, difficult, it's not "hypocritical" to... have a BlueSky account as part of your job while announcing you're stepping away from technology. https://openpath.quest/2024/welcome-to-open-path/ https://openpath.quest/2024/welcome-to-open-path/ "I work for Sentry, and my job requires me to be a “thought leader,” so I need a platform."
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patcon 4mo ago

Chad is one of the most high-integrity persons I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. He is not fucking around for clicks in any shallow sense. I agree with the sibling comment that your cynicism is deeply misplaced imho. I mean, you can be cynical for whatever reasons, but I just think you'd be assuming (and participating in and perpetuating) a game Chad isn't playing.

repelsteeltje 4mo ago
Well, at least the way he handless the typewriter and scribbles seems somewhat performative. If it's just a draft version, he seems capable of handling the typing hammers very professionally, adding online corrections staying within margins. Seems way more seasoned in typing, than most typist of those days. And yet, he can't find the time or patience to retype the piece without typos as a final version? I don't know the man and don't doubt his sincerity. I even agree with most of what he's saying. But it's pretty obvious imo that this is all somewhat performative.
- timcambrant 4mo ago
  Doing performative things is not in conflict with expressing ourselves publicly. People create art and write in various ways and they are free to do so. If he wants to announce to the world that he's leaving the Internet (which is more of a meaningful expression than doing it quietly, for sure) then he can be creative about it without it invalidating his purpose. He could have even posted a photo or a poem along with the message and I don't think that would make it less meaningful. I would hope that creative expression doesn't die just because we now have tools that lets us express ourselves flawlessly, if we choose to use those tool.
  - repelsteeltje 4mo ago
    That's also true
latkin 4mo ago
> He is not fucking around for clicks in any shallow sense. He is undeniably "fucking around for clicks." When you don't want clicks, you don't cross-post to YouTube, BlueSky, LinkedIn, your blog, etc. Clearly a lot of effort went into making this announcement social media friendly and click-worthy. He has analytics on his blog to track how many clicks he gets. Whether it's in a "shallow sense" or not is subjective and there's no way to really argue against that. Do I think he's karma-obsessed and drooling over engagement dashboards? No. And maybe that's what you mean. But you have to be willfully naive to deny the irony in deploying numerous completely unnecessary layers of tech, over numerous social media channels, to let everyone know that you no longer want tech and social media in your life.

witx 4mo ago

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insane_dreamer 4mo ago

so much conjecture in your post > If you are serious about being done with tech and plan to go off-grid, you just go off grid. says who? you?

0______0 4mo ago
>says who? you? Yes, says exactly them. You have a problem with people's own opinions in their own comments? Should they somehow reflect your opinion instead?
- insane_dreamer 4mo ago
  I do not; but you didn't express it as just your opinion; instead your post was full of dogma that tech workers going offline are supposed to adhere to
  - shawn_w 4mo ago
    You're replying to someone other than the original commenter...
    - insane_dreamer 4mo ago
      oops, hadn't noticed the change in handle

graypegg 4mo ago

Eh, everything these days is coated in a thick sheen of polish. I think maybe the thing that's off about this is the irony in someone announcing that they will no longer be announcing anything... but even then, I don't see how that's worth getting eye-searingly wound-up about. There's people out there farming social media engagement for their wellness tiktok account by telling people to use their phone less. That has the potential to cause actual harm, rather than just pad an ego. Those folks actually sear my eyes.

andai 4mo ago

If you find a way to escape the Matrix... do you go back and help?