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Eh, the poem doesn't suggest technology isn't ever useful. It's highlighting that the inefficiency of human relationship is a feature, not a bug. You might not

by causal 4mo ago

Eh, the poem doesn't suggest technology isn't ever useful. It's highlighting that the inefficiency of human relationship is a feature, not a bug. You might not have a friend who is into fly-fishing, but surely you know somebody into SOMETHING you could ask about. Maybe that's less efficient, maybe it's less direct. But our whole reason for existing, all of the stuff that gives life meaning- it requires each other, and technology is getting dangerously close to replacing relationships altogether. I don't think this is meant to guilt you for using tech, but it is totally a wake up call to remembering WHY we fly fish and go to weddings and write memoirs and so on.

1shooner 4mo ago
>but surely you know somebody into SOMETHING you could ask about But this is the thing. Many people don't, or have some other real or imagined barrier preventing them from it. Many people are really extraordinarily isolated. While I relate to the heart of the poem, there is an aspect of it that's essentially criticizing people for their suffering. There's a "just stop drinking" vibe.
- customguy 4mo ago
  > Many people are really extraordinarily isolated. Then let's talk about that, and encourage them to speak up and reach out, rather than entombing them and throwing away the key. I can stand someone who is lonely, and awkward, or sad. I have been all those things. I cannot stand someone who is so hospitalized by talking to LLM constantly that they treat me like a jukebox, too. That they're not even stupid or bad with words, but cannot think at all, and do it in a high volume, high confidence manner, with lots of big words and things that seem to make sense until you put weight on them. So unless someone more patient than me comes along, as far as I'm concerned, they are now lonely for good, unless I can avoid it. And that's not a state of things I want for myself or others.
- jimbokun 4mo ago
  You're right. It's much better to forever wallow in your loneliness and lack of friends, instead of working on how to develop better friendships and relationships.
  - 1shooner 4mo ago
    I just don't think moralistic condescending poetry really helps any of that.
customguy 4mo ago
> But our whole reason for existing, all of the stuff that gives life meaning- it requires each other "It would not be much of a universe if it wasn't home to the people you love." -- Stephen Hawking I think we may be approaching some sort of watershed moment, if not conflict between those who hold such sentiments and those whose response is "oh yeah? hold my beer".
- causal 4mo ago
  Yeah I hit reply knowing the "hold my beer" crowd would disagree but I stand by the claim :)
Brendinooo 4mo ago
I generally agree with this, for what it's worth, and I'm certainly open to the accusation of missing the point entirely, but it certainly does seem to me like the author has a point of view on LLMs and wrote with an emotionally charged point of view.

by causal 4mo ago

1shooner 4mo ago

>but surely you know somebody into SOMETHING you could ask about But this is the thing. Many people don't, or have some other real or imagined barrier preventing them from it. Many people are really extraordinarily isolated. While I relate to the heart of the poem, there is an aspect of it that's essentially criticizing people for their suffering. There's a "just stop drinking" vibe.

customguy 4mo ago
> Many people are really extraordinarily isolated. Then let's talk about that, and encourage them to speak up and reach out, rather than entombing them and throwing away the key. I can stand someone who is lonely, and awkward, or sad. I have been all those things. I cannot stand someone who is so hospitalized by talking to LLM constantly that they treat me like a jukebox, too. That they're not even stupid or bad with words, but cannot think at all, and do it in a high volume, high confidence manner, with lots of big words and things that seem to make sense until you put weight on them. So unless someone more patient than me comes along, as far as I'm concerned, they are now lonely for good, unless I can avoid it. And that's not a state of things I want for myself or others.
jimbokun 4mo ago
You're right. It's much better to forever wallow in your loneliness and lack of friends, instead of working on how to develop better friendships and relationships.
- 1shooner 4mo ago
  I just don't think moralistic condescending poetry really helps any of that.

customguy 4mo ago

> But our whole reason for existing, all of the stuff that gives life meaning- it requires each other "It would not be much of a universe if it wasn't home to the people you love." -- Stephen Hawking I think we may be approaching some sort of watershed moment, if not conflict between those who hold such sentiments and those whose response is "oh yeah? hold my beer".

causal 4mo ago
Yeah I hit reply knowing the "hold my beer" crowd would disagree but I stand by the claim :)

Brendinooo 4mo ago

I generally agree with this, for what it's worth, and I'm certainly open to the accusation of missing the point entirely, but it certainly does seem to me like the author has a point of view on LLMs and wrote with an emotionally charged point of view.