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Basically why my car is so old it doesn't even have a CAN bus. Roslin: I heard you're one of those people. You're actually afraid of computers. Adama: No, the

Basically why my car is so old it doesn't even have a CAN bus. Roslin: I heard you're one of those people. You're actually afraid of computers. Adama: No, there are many computers on this ship. But they're not networked. Roslin: A computerized network would simply make it faster and easier for the teachers to be able to teach- Adama: Let me explain something to you. Many good men and women lost their lives aboard this ship because someone wanted a faster computer to make life easier. I'm sorry that I'm inconveniencing you or the teachers, but I will not allow a networked computerized system to be placed on this ship while I'm in command. Is that clear? Roslin: Yes, sir. Adama: Thank you. 'Scuse me.

rootsudo 5mo ago
Battlestar Galactica. Just finished watching the remake. Spoiler for a 25yr old series: they network them anyway.
- pndy 5mo ago
  They had to calculate jump fast to join the fleet and the only way was to break the taboo - connecting the computers. Cylons seized the opportunity and despite of the software firewall they managed to periodically disturb this network. In the end all computers were disconnected. IIRC Gaeta later had to wipe drives and install operating systems again, from these fancy octagonal "cds". Found the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CkDyc1TLrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CkDyc1TLrQ
PenguinCoder 5mo ago
The man (character) was a rightful, respected, hard-ass. But made good points with evidence to explain the _why_; a true leader.
1vuio0pswjnm7 5mo ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozmyRPVRHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozmyRPVRHk
helsinkiandrew 5mo ago
But they used Floppy disks and data chip thingies for transferring data. If the Cylons were any good they’d have eventually created a self perpetuating virus. Even humans have pulled that off (Stuxnet and Iranian nuclear centrifuges)
- pmontra 5mo ago
  And everybody circulating virus for PCs and other systems in the 80s and 90s. I wonder if there was a floppy disk virus for CP/M in the 70s.
  - aidenn0 5mo ago
    The typically cited first microcomputer virus in the wild was for the Apple II in 1982. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Cloner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Cloner
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ErroneousBosh 5mo ago
Same. Want to update the firmware in the computer? Sure but you'll need to unscrew the driver's seat, unscrew the desktop PC sized ECU, unscrew its four pencil-thick battery connections, unplug its 27 connectors, unscrew the 50 screws in three slightly different sizes holding the top cover on, remove the heatsinks, unscrew the eight screws holding the motherboard in, and desolder both the 144-pin 68HCxxx chips that do all the thinking. Refitting is the reverse of removal. Yes, I have actually already done this.
- platevoltage 5mo ago
  Surely there's a parallel EPROM somewhere in there you can bake with a UV light and program.
  - monocasa 5mo ago
    The 68HCxxx's typically have on chip ROMs.
  - ErroneousBosh 5mo ago
    No, it's all on-chip. There's a big custom chip made by GEC Plessey that has a small flash chip beside it, but it's totally undocumented. They also make the custom chips in the door, window switch, and seat outstations. I found some very very general documentation about them but nothing enough to start picking the firmware apart.
platevoltage 5mo ago
I never understood this. They're networked? So what? Don't connect it to other ships, or the Baltarnet or whatever they call it. Is the idea that if a Cylon gets on the ship, they can access the CIC from the thermostat in the bathroom? Did I miss something? Did I watch it wrong?
- monocasa 5mo ago
  > Is the idea that if a Cylon gets on the ship, they can access the CIC from the thermostat in the bathroom? Yeah, it was intended to limit lateral movement from compromised systems.

rootsudo 5mo ago

Battlestar Galactica. Just finished watching the remake. Spoiler for a 25yr old series: they network them anyway.

pndy 5mo ago
They had to calculate jump fast to join the fleet and the only way was to break the taboo - connecting the computers. Cylons seized the opportunity and despite of the software firewall they managed to periodically disturb this network. In the end all computers were disconnected. IIRC Gaeta later had to wipe drives and install operating systems again, from these fancy octagonal "cds". Found the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CkDyc1TLrQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CkDyc1TLrQ

PenguinCoder 5mo ago

The man (character) was a rightful, respected, hard-ass. But made good points with evidence to explain the _why_; a true leader.

1vuio0pswjnm7 5mo ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozmyRPVRHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozmyRPVRHk

helsinkiandrew 5mo ago

But they used Floppy disks and data chip thingies for transferring data. If the Cylons were any good they’d have eventually created a self perpetuating virus. Even humans have pulled that off (Stuxnet and Iranian nuclear centrifuges)

pmontra 5mo ago
And everybody circulating virus for PCs and other systems in the 80s and 90s. I wonder if there was a floppy disk virus for CP/M in the 70s.
- aidenn0 5mo ago
  The typically cited first microcomputer virus in the wild was for the Apple II in 1982. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Cloner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Cloner
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ErroneousBosh 5mo ago

Same. Want to update the firmware in the computer? Sure but you'll need to unscrew the driver's seat, unscrew the desktop PC sized ECU, unscrew its four pencil-thick battery connections, unplug its 27 connectors, unscrew the 50 screws in three slightly different sizes holding the top cover on, remove the heatsinks, unscrew the eight screws holding the motherboard in, and desolder both the 144-pin 68HCxxx chips that do all the thinking. Refitting is the reverse of removal. Yes, I have actually already done this.

platevoltage 5mo ago
Surely there's a parallel EPROM somewhere in there you can bake with a UV light and program.
- monocasa 5mo ago
  The 68HCxxx's typically have on chip ROMs.
- ErroneousBosh 5mo ago
  No, it's all on-chip. There's a big custom chip made by GEC Plessey that has a small flash chip beside it, but it's totally undocumented. They also make the custom chips in the door, window switch, and seat outstations. I found some very very general documentation about them but nothing enough to start picking the firmware apart.

platevoltage 5mo ago

I never understood this. They're networked? So what? Don't connect it to other ships, or the Baltarnet or whatever they call it. Is the idea that if a Cylon gets on the ship, they can access the CIC from the thermostat in the bathroom? Did I miss something? Did I watch it wrong?

monocasa 5mo ago
> Is the idea that if a Cylon gets on the ship, they can access the CIC from the thermostat in the bathroom? Yeah, it was intended to limit lateral movement from compromised systems.