4 ms·

Maven as always. I don't suffer from XML allergy, and Gradle is Ant all over again. Worse, because it relies on a slow scripting language, or having to go thr

by pjmlp 6mo ago

Maven as always. I don't suffer from XML allergy, and Gradle is Ant all over again. Worse, because it relies on a slow scripting language, or having to go through Kotlin, plus a background deamon.

blandflakes 6mo ago
Yeah I have long felt that if we think we need gradle, we should consider doing less crazy stuff in our build. Maven is plenty and any time I get back to a repo that has that instead of gradle or sbt I’m much happier.
- vips7L 6mo ago
  Sbt is by far the worst. It’s the bane of my existence.
tmtvl 6mo ago
I'm by-and-large fine with XML, having used it for many a year; however I really like working with XML when I can use Guile's SXML layer. For Maven it's not that important because POMs are simple enough, but for more complex things it's nice having a useful tool. I actually don't mind Ant very much, but I haven't had good luck using Ivy for dependency management. Maven's been very nice in the decade and a half I've used it, Gradle's always felt off to me. I think there was also another Java build tool written in like Ruby or something, but I'm blanking on the name at the moment.
- pjmlp 6mo ago
  Before Maven came to be, we had built nice macros on our Ant builds that were quite similar to how Maven works, but Ivy wasn't also around. Eventually Maven grew on me, however I would rather go back to Ant than deal with Gradle, the time using it when I did Android development a few years ago, was more than enough.
vips7L 6mo ago
And for those that are allergic Maven 4 will offer alternative file types via extensions!
- panny 6mo ago
  Is it too late to stop that happening? Nobody wants maven + yaml or whatever else they will add. XML is the correct format.
  - vips7L 5mo ago
    Idk I think it’s pretty good for the sheer fact that it takes away most arguments against maven. Almost ever argument is hurr durr xml bad.
johnyzee 6mo ago
I always hated Maven, until I started using Gradle.

by pjmlp 6mo ago

Maven as always. I don't suffer from XML allergy, and Gradle is Ant all over again. Worse, because it relies on a slow scripting language, or having to go through Kotlin, plus a background deamon.

blandflakes 6mo ago

Yeah I have long felt that if we think we need gradle, we should consider doing less crazy stuff in our build. Maven is plenty and any time I get back to a repo that has that instead of gradle or sbt I’m much happier.

vips7L 6mo ago
Sbt is by far the worst. It’s the bane of my existence.

tmtvl 6mo ago

I'm by-and-large fine with XML, having used it for many a year; however I really like working with XML when I can use Guile's SXML layer. For Maven it's not that important because POMs are simple enough, but for more complex things it's nice having a useful tool. I actually don't mind Ant very much, but I haven't had good luck using Ivy for dependency management. Maven's been very nice in the decade and a half I've used it, Gradle's always felt off to me. I think there was also another Java build tool written in like Ruby or something, but I'm blanking on the name at the moment.

pjmlp 6mo ago
Before Maven came to be, we had built nice macros on our Ant builds that were quite similar to how Maven works, but Ivy wasn't also around. Eventually Maven grew on me, however I would rather go back to Ant than deal with Gradle, the time using it when I did Android development a few years ago, was more than enough.

vips7L 6mo ago

And for those that are allergic Maven 4 will offer alternative file types via extensions!

panny 6mo ago
Is it too late to stop that happening? Nobody wants maven + yaml or whatever else they will add. XML is the correct format.
- vips7L 5mo ago
  Idk I think it’s pretty good for the sheer fact that it takes away most arguments against maven. Almost ever argument is hurr durr xml bad.

johnyzee 6mo ago

I always hated Maven, until I started using Gradle.