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Do you want to get rid of "advanced" course options and push every student into the same bucket?

throwaway27448 4mo ago
I'd be fine with that. It would provide an incentive to care about the bottom 75th percentile along with the spoiled rich kids
- ajsnigrutin 4mo ago
  That's horrible. Smarter kids could get a better education, but they can't, because the teachers have to deal with illiterate kids that don't want to learn in the first place.
  - throwaway27448 4mo ago
    Maybe if we tried to educate all our kids instead of just the rich ones they wouldn't be illiterate
    - ajsnigrutin 4mo ago
      Some kids are just stupid, and it doesn't matter if they're rich or poor, there's nothing you can do about it. No need to keep everyone at the stupidest kids level.
      - throwaway27448 4mo ago
        Half of them are in AP classes. let's not pretend our methods of sorting kids into castes makes any sense. Let's be honest: this is about money and attention, and you want to grind the poor kids into dust
        ajsnigrutin 4mo ago
        It's not about money, you're the one who just thinks about money. Maybe, by your logic, if someone gave you $100 now, you'd become smarter and look wider... but probably not. Sorting into better highschools and worse ones, and better classes and worse was done even back in my times, in what used to be yugoslavia, with communism, red stars and a dictator. You want better kids to excell as much as they can, and you want the stupid kids to at least learn to read and write for their boring communist factory jobs for the next 40 years, even if they never get to learn how to solve differential eqations... if you keep the kids together, the stupid ones still won't be able to do basic math and there would be no time left over for the smarter ones to learn more. There was no correlation between money and stupidity of kids. Some kids are smart enough to become engineers, some can barely read, there's no need for them to be in the same classroom.
        throwaway27448 4mo ago
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        tracker1 4mo ago
        The post you are replying to is literally talking about actual communism. Education in communism will leave anyone underperforming behind... You'll get shuffled of into a vocational school young and injected into the workforce early. Do you really think communism expends extra effort on underperforming students? No they get shuffled off as soon as prudent.
    - tracker1 4mo ago
      We do... The VAST majority of kids go through public education... It's mostly a matter of effort, and that comes down to mostly parent pressure on having their kids do the work. Maybe if we actually held kids that can't do the work back, they wouldn't be illiterate. Let social pressure do the work it's meant to. For that matter, let parents do the work they're supposed to.
      - throwaway27448 4mo ago
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- tracker1 4mo ago
  The bottom 75th percentile don't advance humanity to nearly the same level. Do you think you'd have the internet or iPads if everyone was capped to the 75th percentile? No. Beyond this, the entire point of higher education is to push those who are able to higher levels, not to drag the 75% along for the ride.
  - throwaway27448 4mo ago
    > The bottom 75th percentile don't advance humanity to nearly the same level. Who do you think produces all the value in the world? It's not the people organizing the labor, it's the goddamn laborers. > Do you think you'd have the internet or iPads if everyone was capped to the 75th percentile? No. What do you think we would be eating if we left the world up to the rich nerds? We would have starved many millennia ago.
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    - tracker1 4mo ago
      I said specifically "advance humanity" ... simple labor doesn't advance humanity. It's absolutely necessary, but it also doesn't require a college education. Advancing humanity is coming up with cures for disease, or inventing useful things. We manage to feed the world with a fraction of the labor it once took to do so. It wasn't the common laborer that came up with solutions that effectively eliminated food scarcity.
      - throwaway27448 4mo ago
        I'm not a big fan of the myth of progress, so your pleas are falling on deaf ears. I see no reason to prioritize the education of the rich in our public schools
        tracker1 4mo ago
        You have provided no evidence that wealth is a driving factor in any given public school. For that matter, progress is not a myth.. again, we literally eliminated food scarcity through industrialization. That's not a myth. Try again.
- ofjcihen 4mo ago
  Just FYI I was dirt poor and from a crap neighborhood and qualified for and benefited from these AP classes. Not all kids who succeed only succeed because of their background.
  - tracker1 4mo ago
    Similar.. not dirt poor, but bottom 1/3.
  - throwaway27448 4mo ago
    I am from the same situation. I speak from experience: social mobility in public school is the exception. I would have done just fine without AP classes at all, as I am sure you would have. It's the kids who need help that benefit from school. AP classes exist to pad the resumes of rich kids and justify their being propelled into academic situations that should rightfully belong to others. Prove me wrong
    - tracker1 4mo ago
      AP classes allow those who are capable of working ahead of the general students to do so. It has zero to do with wealth. What others are hurt by you being able to take an AP class? Nobody is saying to remove remedial classes for those who have trouble keeping up.. but you shouldn't punish those capable of working ahead by putting everyone in the same class. Your tirade sounds more like neo-communist garbage from someone who has never experienced communism. See the Yugoslavian comment in this thread for a counter example... where in actual communism, you emphatically push the capable ahead and allow success. I don't have to prove you wrong as your assertions are wrong on their face and you have not said anything to backup your own assertions. I don't know how old you are, but you seem to have been dropped in the modern "equity" rabbit hole.
    - ofjcihen 4mo ago
      So because you weren’t personally benefitted as much as others no one should benefit from them. One of my AP classes taught us how to spot logical fallacies. Seems to have benefitted me well enough.

I'd be fine with that. It would provide an incentive to care about the bottom 75th percentile along with the spoiled rich kids

ajsnigrutin 4mo ago
That's horrible. Smarter kids could get a better education, but they can't, because the teachers have to deal with illiterate kids that don't want to learn in the first place.
- throwaway27448 4mo ago
  Maybe if we tried to educate all our kids instead of just the rich ones they wouldn't be illiterate
  - ajsnigrutin 4mo ago
    Some kids are just stupid, and it doesn't matter if they're rich or poor, there's nothing you can do about it. No need to keep everyone at the stupidest kids level.
    - throwaway27448 4mo ago
      Half of them are in AP classes. let's not pretend our methods of sorting kids into castes makes any sense. Let's be honest: this is about money and attention, and you want to grind the poor kids into dust
      - ajsnigrutin 4mo ago
        It's not about money, you're the one who just thinks about money. Maybe, by your logic, if someone gave you $100 now, you'd become smarter and look wider... but probably not. Sorting into better highschools and worse ones, and better classes and worse was done even back in my times, in what used to be yugoslavia, with communism, red stars and a dictator. You want better kids to excell as much as they can, and you want the stupid kids to at least learn to read and write for their boring communist factory jobs for the next 40 years, even if they never get to learn how to solve differential eqations... if you keep the kids together, the stupid ones still won't be able to do basic math and there would be no time left over for the smarter ones to learn more. There was no correlation between money and stupidity of kids. Some kids are smart enough to become engineers, some can barely read, there's no need for them to be in the same classroom.
        throwaway27448 4mo ago
        [flagged]
        tracker1 4mo ago
        The post you are replying to is literally talking about actual communism. Education in communism will leave anyone underperforming behind... You'll get shuffled of into a vocational school young and injected into the workforce early. Do you really think communism expends extra effort on underperforming students? No they get shuffled off as soon as prudent.
  - tracker1 4mo ago
    We do... The VAST majority of kids go through public education... It's mostly a matter of effort, and that comes down to mostly parent pressure on having their kids do the work. Maybe if we actually held kids that can't do the work back, they wouldn't be illiterate. Let social pressure do the work it's meant to. For that matter, let parents do the work they're supposed to.
    - throwaway27448 4mo ago
      [flagged]
tracker1 4mo ago
The bottom 75th percentile don't advance humanity to nearly the same level. Do you think you'd have the internet or iPads if everyone was capped to the 75th percentile? No. Beyond this, the entire point of higher education is to push those who are able to higher levels, not to drag the 75% along for the ride.
- throwaway27448 4mo ago
  > The bottom 75th percentile don't advance humanity to nearly the same level. Who do you think produces all the value in the world? It's not the people organizing the labor, it's the goddamn laborers. > Do you think you'd have the internet or iPads if everyone was capped to the 75th percentile? No. What do you think we would be eating if we left the world up to the rich nerds? We would have starved many millennia ago.
  - deleted 4mo ago
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  - tracker1 4mo ago
    I said specifically "advance humanity" ... simple labor doesn't advance humanity. It's absolutely necessary, but it also doesn't require a college education. Advancing humanity is coming up with cures for disease, or inventing useful things. We manage to feed the world with a fraction of the labor it once took to do so. It wasn't the common laborer that came up with solutions that effectively eliminated food scarcity.
    - throwaway27448 4mo ago
      I'm not a big fan of the myth of progress, so your pleas are falling on deaf ears. I see no reason to prioritize the education of the rich in our public schools
      - tracker1 4mo ago
        You have provided no evidence that wealth is a driving factor in any given public school. For that matter, progress is not a myth.. again, we literally eliminated food scarcity through industrialization. That's not a myth. Try again.
ofjcihen 4mo ago
Just FYI I was dirt poor and from a crap neighborhood and qualified for and benefited from these AP classes. Not all kids who succeed only succeed because of their background.
- tracker1 4mo ago
  Similar.. not dirt poor, but bottom 1/3.
- throwaway27448 4mo ago
  I am from the same situation. I speak from experience: social mobility in public school is the exception. I would have done just fine without AP classes at all, as I am sure you would have. It's the kids who need help that benefit from school. AP classes exist to pad the resumes of rich kids and justify their being propelled into academic situations that should rightfully belong to others. Prove me wrong
  - tracker1 4mo ago
    AP classes allow those who are capable of working ahead of the general students to do so. It has zero to do with wealth. What others are hurt by you being able to take an AP class? Nobody is saying to remove remedial classes for those who have trouble keeping up.. but you shouldn't punish those capable of working ahead by putting everyone in the same class. Your tirade sounds more like neo-communist garbage from someone who has never experienced communism. See the Yugoslavian comment in this thread for a counter example... where in actual communism, you emphatically push the capable ahead and allow success. I don't have to prove you wrong as your assertions are wrong on their face and you have not said anything to backup your own assertions. I don't know how old you are, but you seem to have been dropped in the modern "equity" rabbit hole.
  - ofjcihen 4mo ago
    So because you weren’t personally benefitted as much as others no one should benefit from them. One of my AP classes taught us how to spot logical fallacies. Seems to have benefitted me well enough.