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> The mechanical actions and the physical presence really helps in retention of the materials. Although this is the case for many people, I personally struggle

> The mechanical actions and the physical presence really helps in retention of the materials. Although this is the case for many people, I personally struggle to process information and write it on paper at the same time. Thus, I strongly prefer digital note-taking and use Obsidian or just vim instead of paper.

tracker1 4mo ago
I'm not trying to be offensive, but I don't see how typing it into a computer is significantly different than writing it on paper. Is there something stopping you, or anyone from writing it down and taking notes in class and then reviewing it later as needed? Not just process it in lecture time, but regurgitate it to physical form for later review. Also, I would definitely constrain this into educational groups, where K-6 are much different from college (post mandatory) education.
- dmbche 4mo ago
  If I may, people write (with pens) slower than than can speak, and thus to take good notes you need to synthesize the material you are being explained. You need to understand what you're writing. Many people can type as fast/faster than they talk, and when typing it is possible to try and type verbatim what is being said. In this case, there is no understanding. (If you've ever taken a class not all that is said is pertinent and not all that is pertinent is said) I personally don't revisit my written notes their purpose is uniquely for me to remember/understand what I've written.
  - wink 4mo ago
    I highly doubt this is unique. Some teachers (at least when I was in school) said stuff, repeated it, no problem writing it verbatim. Some others put it on the board for you to copy it verbatim, and later in uni.. most people definitely did not type fast enough to capture every word. Writing down stuff has always been what you make of it.
    - rowanG077 4mo ago
      Just because there arepeople who type slow doesnt invalidate the point that typing has a much higher speed ceiling. It's like saying well cars can go slower than some people who walk. So we may as well walk everywhere.
  - hunterpayne 4mo ago
    "Many people can type as fast/faster than they talk" No they can't. An amazing typist is 120 wpm. A slow speaker might be 150 wpm and fast talkers over 300 wpm.
    - LtWorf 4mo ago
      Except you don't talk full speed like a california girl on speed during a lecture?
- mos_basik 4mo ago
  >I don't see how typing it into a computer is significantly different... I haven't read up on it much myself, but any discussion along the lines of this subthread re: "handwriting > typing" is probably discussing research that's starting to be talked about more and more in the past 5 years or so (maybe the pandemic and online learning accelerated interest?) here's a 5m clip of a neuroscientist presenting to the US Senate this year on correlation between dropping academic performance and use of tech in classrooms in many countries over many years, and asking for more research into mechanisms and causation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-_VDYit3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-_VDYit3U and here's a paper from a couple years ago describing differences in observed brain activity between handwriting and typewriting and some discussion of how this could be a mechanism of the kind the video was talking about https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2023.1219945/full https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.... >Is there something stopping you from... No, but I feel like it's not hard to argue that default are important.

tracker1 4mo ago

I'm not trying to be offensive, but I don't see how typing it into a computer is significantly different than writing it on paper. Is there something stopping you, or anyone from writing it down and taking notes in class and then reviewing it later as needed? Not just process it in lecture time, but regurgitate it to physical form for later review. Also, I would definitely constrain this into educational groups, where K-6 are much different from college (post mandatory) education.

dmbche 4mo ago
If I may, people write (with pens) slower than than can speak, and thus to take good notes you need to synthesize the material you are being explained. You need to understand what you're writing. Many people can type as fast/faster than they talk, and when typing it is possible to try and type verbatim what is being said. In this case, there is no understanding. (If you've ever taken a class not all that is said is pertinent and not all that is pertinent is said) I personally don't revisit my written notes their purpose is uniquely for me to remember/understand what I've written.
- wink 4mo ago
  I highly doubt this is unique. Some teachers (at least when I was in school) said stuff, repeated it, no problem writing it verbatim. Some others put it on the board for you to copy it verbatim, and later in uni.. most people definitely did not type fast enough to capture every word. Writing down stuff has always been what you make of it.
  - rowanG077 4mo ago
    Just because there arepeople who type slow doesnt invalidate the point that typing has a much higher speed ceiling. It's like saying well cars can go slower than some people who walk. So we may as well walk everywhere.
- hunterpayne 4mo ago
  "Many people can type as fast/faster than they talk" No they can't. An amazing typist is 120 wpm. A slow speaker might be 150 wpm and fast talkers over 300 wpm.
  - LtWorf 4mo ago
    Except you don't talk full speed like a california girl on speed during a lecture?
mos_basik 4mo ago
>I don't see how typing it into a computer is significantly different... I haven't read up on it much myself, but any discussion along the lines of this subthread re: "handwriting > typing" is probably discussing research that's starting to be talked about more and more in the past 5 years or so (maybe the pandemic and online learning accelerated interest?) here's a 5m clip of a neuroscientist presenting to the US Senate this year on correlation between dropping academic performance and use of tech in classrooms in many countries over many years, and asking for more research into mechanisms and causation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-_VDYit3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-_VDYit3U and here's a paper from a couple years ago describing differences in observed brain activity between handwriting and typewriting and some discussion of how this could be a mechanism of the kind the video was talking about https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2023.1219945/full https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.... >Is there something stopping you from... No, but I feel like it's not hard to argue that default are important.