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I'm not talking about decent people, I'm talking about racists and xenophobes and yes, fascists. When Hillary Clinton made her remark about the "basket of deplo
by krapp 5mo ago
I'm not talking about decent people, I'm talking about racists and xenophobes and yes, fascists. When Hillary Clinton made her remark about the "basket of deplorables" (to use a well-worn example of the left "ganging up on decent conservatives") meaning the white supremacist and Christian nationalist factions infiltrating and co-opting the Republican Party and conservative movement through Trumpism, she was 100% correct. A Decent person would would recognize what Trumpism is and who it attracts and would rather stop supporting it than lean into the hatred like some comic book supervillain. Decent people aren't so hidebound to a specific political identity that they can only view criticism from the other side as slander against them personally.
Yours is one of the staunchest pro-Republican, pro-Trump and anti-leftist accounts here, so I assume you voted for Trump every time you could and would probably vote for him again if it were possible. But for you to see what Trump and the right are doing, and what American conservatism has become, and excuse it as a rational response to leftists being too mean despite being correct is a wild piece of self-deception (as well as boilerplate conservative propaganda.) I wish that you and people like yourself would learn to read the room before it's too late. Trump and his ilk don't deserve your respect or your loyalty. The left isn't your enemy. You don't have to keep carrying water for these assholes. Whatever you think you're getting isn't going to be worth what you're going to lose in exchange.
- RickJWagner 5mo ago[flagged]
- litoE 5mo agoI can understand your not liking Harris, Biden, Clinton et. al. But I can't understand how you selected a person like Trump as your candidate for President. One time, maybe. But three times in a row?
- was8309 5mo agoI'm guessing the religious people at your neighborhood churches feel pretty strongly about the value of truth. How do they make that work with support for trump? I'm not trying to do a gotcha, I seriously can't see past the dissonance.
- bulbar 5mo agoDividing people into "the left" and "the right" (or Republican / Democrat or whatever) as if it's over homogenous entity is very bad for any discourse. Not writing this as an answer here to address you specifically, it's done by virtually everybody. When people say "the right did X" most likely the person they are discussing with didn't do X, but might (to some degree) identify with being part of what is meant by "the right". Same goes for "the left". I live in Europe, so I don't have the deep knowledge and experience of people living in the US, but I have a more high level perspective instead. To me, that partisan thinking is the biggest problem in the US, by far. All above was originally written as an answer to Rick, but I figured here might be the better place for it, because I don't see an indication for past or present support of Trump. All he said was "I am a conservative voter" while vastly agreeing to the the critics of Trump. But because everything is "them or us" he is is one of "them" and therefore he is X and does Y and so on. I believe if the US wants to survive, society needs to overcome that at least to some degree. Biden acknowledged that by using the term "Time to heal", at least that was my interpretation back then. Didn't work obviously, maybe he was the wrong person for the job or it wasn't time for it yet, idk.
- muwtyhg 5mo ago> I don't see an indication for past or present support of Trump. All he said was "I am a conservative voter" while vastly agreeing to the the critics of Trump. Rick is one of the most prolific pro-Trump accounts on this site. He's jumped through so many hoops to excuse or ignore or what-about Trump's actions, there is no doubt in my mind he is a Trump voter, and would likely vote for him for a third term if possible. Just look at this current thread to see how often he minimizes the rampant abuse of power by Trump because he "moves the ball forward on conservative policy". Do not let his acknowledgement of Trump's issues fool you. He is 100% onboard with what is happening in the current admin.
- bulbar 5mo agoI read through the comments when you wrote that and didn't find any indication of that. Again, the US is in a desolate state regarding their culture when it comes to discussing politics.
- kys11 5mo ago[dead]