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Curious to see if this will apply to music. YouTube seems to be filled with AI music these days - just do a search for "focus music" or the like, and you'll see

Curious to see if this will apply to music. YouTube seems to be filled with AI music these days - just do a search for "focus music" or the like, and you'll see creators pushing new 1-hr tracks every few days with no mention of where the music came from or the fact it is AI generated. People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots).

HeartStrings 4mo ago
Add “before 2024” to searches. enough music was made already, we don’t need more.
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nixass 4mo ago
> People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser Or.. they simply like it? Regardless of what we think about it
- zahlman 4mo ago
  Indeed. I've heard a few compositions that I knew were AI-generated and still thought were pretty good.
  - lelandfe 4mo ago
    Look up Xania Monet. AI artist “signed” to Warner Bros with a multimillion contract after “she” charted on Billboard. There’s an appetite for this.
    - throwaway85825 4mo ago
      Just re-upload it. AI generated work cant be copyrighted.
      - ThrustVectoring 4mo ago
        Even if the courts won't uphold the copyright, that doesn't prevent people from claiming your videos and initiating YouTube's copyright process against you. This is a recurring problem for people who upload their own original performances of public-domain compositions, particularly solo piano.
        anigbrowl 4mo ago
        Indeed. False copyright claims should be illegal, they're an invitation to fraud.
        tardedmeme 4mo ago
        What if you claim it first against them? You wouldn't be punished for a false claim, since they're not.
        ThrustVectoring 4mo ago
        uhh, no Reasonable people can believe they have a legitimate ownership right when they petition YouTube for copyright enforcement for AI-generated work. The courts might eventually disagree, but that's a different thing than knowingly making a fraudulent misrepresentations to YouTube for financial benefit. This difference makes the proposed behavior criminal fraud. I highly recommend not risking twenty years of prison time for like maybe a couple hundred dollars in ad revenue.
        tardedmeme 4mo ago
        It's not knowing misrepresentation. You AI-generated the same video, so how were you to know it wasn't yours? Just don't show them this HN thread. Besides, nobody's actually checking
      - fc417fc802 4mo ago
        An often repeated talking point that's broadly false without further context. Mechanical output on its own can't be copyrighted, that hasn't changed. However it can be if sufficient (as determined by the courts) human creativity went into causing it to be output.
    - nelsonfigueroa 4mo ago
      Wow I had no idea there were already popular AI artists. Xania Monet has ~500k monthly listeners on Spotify and some of her (its?) youtube videos have millions of views. This is depressing.
      - fleebee 4mo ago
        I don't think it's people deliberately seeking this stuff out. For whatever reason, the algorithms love recommending AI content, and I'm sure the numbers are juiced to some degree with bot farms. Not that it still isn't depressing.
        knome 4mo ago
        >the algorithms love recommending AI content wouldn't be surprised if it's because they don't have to pay out for AI music.
        Nathanba 4mo ago
        I love my hour long AI songs, I listen to them over and over again. Check out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqOEyLFrJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqOEyLFrJI or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-dRotOi01Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-dRotOi01Q
- poszlem 4mo ago
  I think the op mean people writing stuff like: "Amazing what a human soul can create", "This is such a beautiful song. I'm so happy it's not another AI slop" type of comments. I have a fairly popular youtube channel with AI generated music, I make it very obvious that it's AI, yet I still get hundreds of those comments a month.
  - userbinator 4mo ago
    I make it very obvious that it's AI, yet I still get hundreds of those comments a month. That suggests you've done a good job of directing the AI to generate what people like.
    - eichin 4mo ago
      or that the comments themselves are AI/bots? (not meant as a criticism, other than of youtube itself)
dmix 4mo ago
YouTube music doesn’t seem to care much about where the music comes from. They do have formal album libraries but not everything is carefully sourced and labelled like Spotify. That’s what makes it good, because you can find tons of lost mixes, old unreleased track and vinyl rips, leaks of new stuff from current artists I use YouTube proper quite heavily and I find it pretty easy to spot the AI stuff. At a minimum there’s usually a comment pointing it out, just like Instagram videos
- progbits 4mo ago
  > carefully sourced and labelled like Spotify I wish I had your Spotify. Over the last few months they have served me multiple slop tracks in the discover weekly playlist. Probably more I didn't notice when just listening without focus, but several had generic artist name without bio and dozens of nearly identical tracks.
spullara 4mo ago
A friend of mine who is a very non-technical dermatologist listens exclusively to Suno songs she made. All in genres and styles of songs from her era, the 80s and 90s. Who else is going to make new songs for her? New music almost always targets young people.
- platevoltage 4mo ago
  I'm still discovering music from "my era". Music doesn't have to be new to be new to you.
- TylerE 4mo ago
  The large number of actual bands from that era still around?
  - montag 4mo ago
    Consider yourself lucky if they still make music in their vintage style
- vlunkr 4mo ago
  There are millions of people making music in an ever-expanding set of genres. The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. I guess she can listen to slop but maybe just look around a little instead? Edit: slop not slob
  - _carbyau_ 4mo ago
    > just look around a little instead? This seems harder than you suggest. I suggest things to my streaming platform and it reverts to what I call "cruisy shit" within 5-10 songs as though it's playing a game of "6 degrees" between my chosen starting point and what it wants to play. For me, "The Algorithm To Engage" is more of a "the beatings will continue until morale improves Algorithm".
  - glitcher 4mo ago
    I agree with you when it comes to my own process of finding new music, but the example given was a lot more specific than just 80s/90s music. Who’s to say that person didn’t do extensive searches before using Suno? Sounds more like the classic discoverabity problem big platforms continue to do poorly with to me. But I agree with the sentiment, great stuff by real artists is out there if you’re able to find it.
andai 4mo ago
You can tell when a song is not AI generated these days because people put "no AI" in the title.
NuclearPM 4mo ago
There is a third option. We don’t care how the music was made.
- u_fucking_dork 4mo ago
  Yeah I listen to random ambient music, probably all AI, as background noise when I’m working or reading
- shagie 4mo ago
  There's certainly a bit of that. Years ago, I had various generative musicish on my phone that I'd listen to (e.g. https://endel.io https://endel.io https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endel_(app) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endel_(app) ). There are also some soundtracks that are ok to listen to on repeat (though once you start recognizing what's next, then they become less useful because you can start listening to them - sim city https://youtu.be/j6mQc-9vCuE https://youtu.be/j6mQc-9vCuE and eve online - looking now I see people have remixed that to 8h long tracks). I've also supported My Noise ( https://mynoise.net https://mynoise.net https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366075 ) and have some 1h long tracks that I can put on repeat (love the white noise rain, but gotta give a callout to 88 keys with some slider adjustments to get it "right" for what I want - https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/acousticPianoSoundscapeGenerator.php https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/acousticPianoSoundscapeGen... most often equal parts brown, red, orange and light purple). Music for Airports is ok ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_1:_Music_for_Airports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_1:_Music_for_Airports https://youtu.be/vNwYtllyt3Q https://youtu.be/vNwYtllyt3Q ... but there are parts in there that I recognize in the loop that bring me out of it being background and into something I'm listening to). But yea... I want a soundscape and it doesn't bother me if it was something that was generative in 2018, or in 2026... or loops of recorded sound... I want something that isn't silence and that I can not listen to for four to eight hours... bonus if its enough "noise" that it doesn't even get picked up after noise suppression in a Teams call. Space Banjo is great ( https://spacebanjo.com https://spacebanjo.com be it https://youtu.be/CLnHStt4mbs https://youtu.be/CLnHStt4mbs or https://youtu.be/ygYfJSTc_qQ https://youtu.be/ygYfJSTc_qQ ) ... but I like to listen to that when I can listen to it more. There's also things like https://youtu.be/_egA9RZrD5k https://youtu.be/_egA9RZrD5k (and in this realm, I get picky https://www.youtube.com/@resomat6474 https://www.youtube.com/@resomat6474 is pretty good, but some of it hits higher notes ... https://www.youtube.com/@TheJapaneseTown-jt6fy https://www.youtube.com/@TheJapaneseTown-jt6fy is pretty good too). Again, this is more about wanting sound rather than music.
CM30 4mo ago
Yeah this is why I'm sceptical of just about any video game covers or remixes posted in the last year or two. There's just a flood of blatantly AI generated content in this niche, with many of the channels involved pumping out dozens of videos a day. They'll use be pretty sneaky about hiding that fact (they'll like any comments that say how awesome it is and how much work was involved while hiding those calling it out as AI, and stick any disclaimer in another language in the description if at all), and it's completely overshadowing legitimate creators in the same space.
rapnie 4mo ago
There are completely fake bands, who are 'on tour', 'giving interviews', cranking out albums. Like "Shunned at a Funeral" [0] for instance, an AI Christian rock band. Mentioning nowhere that it is all fake. Here is a band member of the real band "Wings of Pegasus" who takes a closer look at these shenanigans in "Are you sure your favourite band is real?" [1] [0] https://www.youtube.com/@ShunnedataFuneral https://www.youtube.com/@ShunnedataFuneral [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKOtpdDzwyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKOtpdDzwyA
- cillian64 4mo ago
  You could say almost the same about Gorillaz except for the AI part.
  - NateEag 4mo ago
    Gorillaz had real people behind them. Not unlike Buckethead, they seemed to prefer avoiding the direct spotlight of fame, but they still wanted to create these things and put their thoughts, feeling, and original aesthetic out there in the world. ...all of which is to say "except for the AI part" is a pretty big exception.
userbinator 4mo ago
That's actually how I fell down the rabbithole --- found these long mixes and started listening, enjoyed what I heard, then tried to find out more about the author and realised it was AI-generated. People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots). I admit to leaving praise on some of them, because they do sound really good, much better than what I thought AI music could be. Someone is creating music I like, and how they do it doesn't really matter; and in some ways, this makes it much easier to "separate the art from the artist".
- stingraycharles 4mo ago
  Yeah, I had the same experience, and it makes sense for companies like Spotify. I do hope that this doesn’t hinder “innovation” in music (eg people being creative and introducing new types of music), because as usual with AI, it’s just really good at imitation, not necessarily creating new things. To be honest, as long as the music is to my liking, I don’t really care all that much.
- 14 4mo ago
  It also seems that there is a big percentage of people who are completely against AI music for a multitude of reasons. Even if they liked the sound they would still hate it if it was AI generated. But to me this seems silly. Yes I want real artists to make music and be able to make a living not some faceless company spitting out endless music until something works. However at the end of the day if something sounds good then one should enjoy it not refuse to accept it simply because it is AI. Because how far does their stance against AI go? They won't accept music. What about if AI created a cure that could save their child? Or what if AI could could sort through a massive backlog of evidence in unsolved murders and other violent crimes giving new leads previously missed? I am just curious if some people will simply be against it no matter what the use is. As for myself I think it has it's uses but also think it comes at a heavy price as in massive power and water consumption and other issues it comes with. Anyways
  - abenga 4mo ago
    It's not created any cure or solved crime though. The times it's been applied to those problems, it's either regurgitated stuff that's already in the data or led to the arrest of innocent people. Also, re: music, if I was fine with listening to AI music, why would I listen to the output of someone else's prompt instead of creating my own?
Jach 4mo ago
I wonder about false-positives too, or just disagreements with what is stated vs. "detected". In what I guess is a reaction to the huge amount of AI music, I notice a lot of other music gets posted with titles or tags saying in extent "made without AI". Yet when I listen to it, at least half the time I suspect AI was used, and they are just lying to get increased reach from the AI-hater crowd...
shevy-java 4mo ago
> People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots). I am pretty certain most comments made on youtube these days come from bots. Google does not understand that this is a problem - no real human wants to "interact" with bots or AI slop. They kind of cannibalize youtube here (not that the youtube comments system was great, but you can find real humans making comments in the past, now you can not distinguish between bot spam and real humans usually, though most short comments are made by bots).
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emodendroket 4mo ago
I mean the whole point of music like that is you're not really listening to it and it's kind of on/blocking out noise, right? It's hard to think of a situation where completely AI-generated music would be more competitive or less objectionable.
delis-thumbs-7e 4mo ago
I was at the gym the other day with my bf and there was some godawful lame crap on the playlist. I asked my bf if it was AI generated in his opinion, he laughed and said it was Harry Styles… Most of pop music had driven any creative energy it ever had to the ground already in the 90’s and 00’s and listening music from past 10-15 years or so, even if it’s not AI -generated, it might as well be. In a way AI just brings this progression into its logical conclusion. Most people simply don’t care about art and music, and it doesn’t matter who or what made it and if it even sounds like… anything. People do not want to communicate across oceans, cultures, and centuries the lived experience of what it is to be human, hear stories what it was, say, live as a 28-year-old (possibly gay) composer with syphilis in early 19th century vienna, or standing on the street corner slinging crack in 80’s Brooklyn. They want to stay in their own bubble bed sherts over their heads smelling their own farts. I guess that’s just fine. Just fine. Amazing.
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onion2k 4mo ago
Curious to see if this will apply to music. I imagine it'll apply to anything with a SynthID watermark. https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/ https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/
HeartStrings 4mo ago
Easy to solve: just label ALL music uploads after 2024 as AI. "B-b-b-but what if I create genuine wo—“ You won’t. NEXT
verst 4mo ago
I can easily create a 1 hour track in Ableton and have some minor variations every say 48 measures. It's basically just copy paste with some parameter variation which can be scripted. So not everything like that is necessarily AI generated!
- bilekas 4mo ago
  > I can easily create a 1 hour track in Ableton and have some minor variations every say 48 measures. It's basically just copy paste with some parameter variation which can be scripted. What's the difference with AI doing it instead of your script ?
  - anshorei 4mo ago
    Is human-scripted art (e.g. https://nannou.cc/ https://nannou.cc/) art? Is music programmed to play on an orchestrion art? Is the music produced using a modular synth setup art? If your answer to any of these questions is "yes", and your answer to "can AI create art" is no, then there is a difference between AI doing it and a script. That said the discussion around "human" art and "AI" art often lacks nuance, and I believe there's lots of space to explore art that uses AI. Humans produce a lot of crappy art, this crappy art requires humans to invest time and effort. With AI it is possible for humans to produce lots of crappy art without investing time and effort, so an deluge of crappy AI art follows. If I use AI to strip backgrounds instead of traditional greenscreen methods, is the end result "crappy AI art"? I'd hope no one sets those standards. I'd hope my videos would be judged as "crappy human art" since I still did the camera work the acting and the editing. If I use AI for visual effects in my video because I don't have visual effect training and don't have money to hire someone with experience (I don't make money from my occasional fun video projects), does that make it "crappy AI art"? I don't believe so. But somewhere between there and the content farm AI slop filling the Youtube servers there is a point where it becomes "crappy AI art" and I can't tell you where that point is because I'm still trying to figure it out.
    - bilekas 4mo ago
      Yeah, you make some good points, and it's an interesting question. There's far more nuance I guess that I considered, I guess what's a bit disheartening about the amount of generated music in this case is that it does make it harder for those who create and put really a lot of effort into their work to find some traction. Then again they said Spotify would ruin the music industry also, and to some degree it has only benefited a minority of artists. I guess either way we will see. Art is only appreciated by those who appreciate it so who am I to judge.
bandrami 4mo ago
Music may be a special case because generative/algorithmic music has been a thing for much longer than AI (in the 2020s sense) has existed. So it's more a question of how/whether it gets integrated into an existing generative market than it being a new category.
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littlecranky67 4mo ago
I personally like an AI cover version of Nirvana's "In bloom" song in country style [0]. Just because it is AI generated doesn't mean that I enjoy it less. Labelling videos as AI is fair and I welcome youtubes changes in that regard nonetheless. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNImbw1TABo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNImbw1TABo
- mattacular 4mo ago
  For one made by a real band check out Sturgill Simpson's cover

HeartStrings 4mo ago

Add “before 2024” to searches. enough music was made already, we don’t need more.

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nixass 4mo ago

> People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser Or.. they simply like it? Regardless of what we think about it

zahlman 4mo ago
Indeed. I've heard a few compositions that I knew were AI-generated and still thought were pretty good.
- lelandfe 4mo ago
  Look up Xania Monet. AI artist “signed” to Warner Bros with a multimillion contract after “she” charted on Billboard. There’s an appetite for this.
  - throwaway85825 4mo ago
    Just re-upload it. AI generated work cant be copyrighted.
    - ThrustVectoring 4mo ago
      Even if the courts won't uphold the copyright, that doesn't prevent people from claiming your videos and initiating YouTube's copyright process against you. This is a recurring problem for people who upload their own original performances of public-domain compositions, particularly solo piano.
      - anigbrowl 4mo ago
        Indeed. False copyright claims should be illegal, they're an invitation to fraud.
      - tardedmeme 4mo ago
        What if you claim it first against them? You wouldn't be punished for a false claim, since they're not.
        ThrustVectoring 4mo ago
        uhh, no Reasonable people can believe they have a legitimate ownership right when they petition YouTube for copyright enforcement for AI-generated work. The courts might eventually disagree, but that's a different thing than knowingly making a fraudulent misrepresentations to YouTube for financial benefit. This difference makes the proposed behavior criminal fraud. I highly recommend not risking twenty years of prison time for like maybe a couple hundred dollars in ad revenue.
        tardedmeme 4mo ago
        It's not knowing misrepresentation. You AI-generated the same video, so how were you to know it wasn't yours? Just don't show them this HN thread. Besides, nobody's actually checking
    - fc417fc802 4mo ago
      An often repeated talking point that's broadly false without further context. Mechanical output on its own can't be copyrighted, that hasn't changed. However it can be if sufficient (as determined by the courts) human creativity went into causing it to be output.
  - nelsonfigueroa 4mo ago
    Wow I had no idea there were already popular AI artists. Xania Monet has ~500k monthly listeners on Spotify and some of her (its?) youtube videos have millions of views. This is depressing.
    - fleebee 4mo ago
      I don't think it's people deliberately seeking this stuff out. For whatever reason, the algorithms love recommending AI content, and I'm sure the numbers are juiced to some degree with bot farms. Not that it still isn't depressing.
      - knome 4mo ago
        >the algorithms love recommending AI content wouldn't be surprised if it's because they don't have to pay out for AI music.
      - Nathanba 4mo ago
        I love my hour long AI songs, I listen to them over and over again. Check out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqOEyLFrJI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqOEyLFrJI or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-dRotOi01Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-dRotOi01Q
poszlem 4mo ago
I think the op mean people writing stuff like: "Amazing what a human soul can create", "This is such a beautiful song. I'm so happy it's not another AI slop" type of comments. I have a fairly popular youtube channel with AI generated music, I make it very obvious that it's AI, yet I still get hundreds of those comments a month.
- userbinator 4mo ago
  I make it very obvious that it's AI, yet I still get hundreds of those comments a month. That suggests you've done a good job of directing the AI to generate what people like.
  - eichin 4mo ago
    or that the comments themselves are AI/bots? (not meant as a criticism, other than of youtube itself)

dmix 4mo ago

YouTube music doesn’t seem to care much about where the music comes from. They do have formal album libraries but not everything is carefully sourced and labelled like Spotify. That’s what makes it good, because you can find tons of lost mixes, old unreleased track and vinyl rips, leaks of new stuff from current artists I use YouTube proper quite heavily and I find it pretty easy to spot the AI stuff. At a minimum there’s usually a comment pointing it out, just like Instagram videos

progbits 4mo ago
> carefully sourced and labelled like Spotify I wish I had your Spotify. Over the last few months they have served me multiple slop tracks in the discover weekly playlist. Probably more I didn't notice when just listening without focus, but several had generic artist name without bio and dozens of nearly identical tracks.

spullara 4mo ago

A friend of mine who is a very non-technical dermatologist listens exclusively to Suno songs she made. All in genres and styles of songs from her era, the 80s and 90s. Who else is going to make new songs for her? New music almost always targets young people.

platevoltage 4mo ago
I'm still discovering music from "my era". Music doesn't have to be new to be new to you.
TylerE 4mo ago
The large number of actual bands from that era still around?
- montag 4mo ago
  Consider yourself lucky if they still make music in their vintage style
vlunkr 4mo ago
There are millions of people making music in an ever-expanding set of genres. The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd. I guess she can listen to slop but maybe just look around a little instead? Edit: slop not slob
- _carbyau_ 4mo ago
  > just look around a little instead? This seems harder than you suggest. I suggest things to my streaming platform and it reverts to what I call "cruisy shit" within 5-10 songs as though it's playing a game of "6 degrees" between my chosen starting point and what it wants to play. For me, "The Algorithm To Engage" is more of a "the beatings will continue until morale improves Algorithm".
- glitcher 4mo ago
  I agree with you when it comes to my own process of finding new music, but the example given was a lot more specific than just 80s/90s music. Who’s to say that person didn’t do extensive searches before using Suno? Sounds more like the classic discoverabity problem big platforms continue to do poorly with to me. But I agree with the sentiment, great stuff by real artists is out there if you’re able to find it.

andai 4mo ago

You can tell when a song is not AI generated these days because people put "no AI" in the title.

NuclearPM 4mo ago

There is a third option. We don’t care how the music was made.

u_fucking_dork 4mo ago
Yeah I listen to random ambient music, probably all AI, as background noise when I’m working or reading
shagie 4mo ago
There's certainly a bit of that. Years ago, I had various generative musicish on my phone that I'd listen to (e.g. https://endel.io https://endel.io https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endel_(app) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endel_(app) ). There are also some soundtracks that are ok to listen to on repeat (though once you start recognizing what's next, then they become less useful because you can start listening to them - sim city https://youtu.be/j6mQc-9vCuE https://youtu.be/j6mQc-9vCuE and eve online - looking now I see people have remixed that to 8h long tracks). I've also supported My Noise ( https://mynoise.net https://mynoise.net https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32366075 ) and have some 1h long tracks that I can put on repeat (love the white noise rain, but gotta give a callout to 88 keys with some slider adjustments to get it "right" for what I want - https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/acousticPianoSoundscapeGenerator.php https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/acousticPianoSoundscapeGen... most often equal parts brown, red, orange and light purple). Music for Airports is ok ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_1:_Music_for_Airports https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_1:_Music_for_Airports https://youtu.be/vNwYtllyt3Q https://youtu.be/vNwYtllyt3Q ... but there are parts in there that I recognize in the loop that bring me out of it being background and into something I'm listening to). But yea... I want a soundscape and it doesn't bother me if it was something that was generative in 2018, or in 2026... or loops of recorded sound... I want something that isn't silence and that I can not listen to for four to eight hours... bonus if its enough "noise" that it doesn't even get picked up after noise suppression in a Teams call. Space Banjo is great ( https://spacebanjo.com https://spacebanjo.com be it https://youtu.be/CLnHStt4mbs https://youtu.be/CLnHStt4mbs or https://youtu.be/ygYfJSTc_qQ https://youtu.be/ygYfJSTc_qQ ) ... but I like to listen to that when I can listen to it more. There's also things like https://youtu.be/_egA9RZrD5k https://youtu.be/_egA9RZrD5k (and in this realm, I get picky https://www.youtube.com/@resomat6474 https://www.youtube.com/@resomat6474 is pretty good, but some of it hits higher notes ... https://www.youtube.com/@TheJapaneseTown-jt6fy https://www.youtube.com/@TheJapaneseTown-jt6fy is pretty good too). Again, this is more about wanting sound rather than music.

CM30 4mo ago

Yeah this is why I'm sceptical of just about any video game covers or remixes posted in the last year or two. There's just a flood of blatantly AI generated content in this niche, with many of the channels involved pumping out dozens of videos a day. They'll use be pretty sneaky about hiding that fact (they'll like any comments that say how awesome it is and how much work was involved while hiding those calling it out as AI, and stick any disclaimer in another language in the description if at all), and it's completely overshadowing legitimate creators in the same space.

rapnie 4mo ago

There are completely fake bands, who are 'on tour', 'giving interviews', cranking out albums. Like "Shunned at a Funeral" [0] for instance, an AI Christian rock band. Mentioning nowhere that it is all fake. Here is a band member of the real band "Wings of Pegasus" who takes a closer look at these shenanigans in "Are you sure your favourite band is real?" [1] [0] https://www.youtube.com/@ShunnedataFuneral https://www.youtube.com/@ShunnedataFuneral [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKOtpdDzwyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKOtpdDzwyA

cillian64 4mo ago
You could say almost the same about Gorillaz except for the AI part.
- NateEag 4mo ago
  Gorillaz had real people behind them. Not unlike Buckethead, they seemed to prefer avoiding the direct spotlight of fame, but they still wanted to create these things and put their thoughts, feeling, and original aesthetic out there in the world. ...all of which is to say "except for the AI part" is a pretty big exception.

userbinator 4mo ago

That's actually how I fell down the rabbithole --- found these long mixes and started listening, enjoyed what I heard, then tried to find out more about the author and realised it was AI-generated. People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots). I admit to leaving praise on some of them, because they do sound really good, much better than what I thought AI music could be. Someone is creating music I like, and how they do it doesn't really matter; and in some ways, this makes it much easier to "separate the art from the artist".

stingraycharles 4mo ago
Yeah, I had the same experience, and it makes sense for companies like Spotify. I do hope that this doesn’t hinder “innovation” in music (eg people being creative and introducing new types of music), because as usual with AI, it’s just really good at imitation, not necessarily creating new things. To be honest, as long as the music is to my liking, I don’t really care all that much.
14 4mo ago
It also seems that there is a big percentage of people who are completely against AI music for a multitude of reasons. Even if they liked the sound they would still hate it if it was AI generated. But to me this seems silly. Yes I want real artists to make music and be able to make a living not some faceless company spitting out endless music until something works. However at the end of the day if something sounds good then one should enjoy it not refuse to accept it simply because it is AI. Because how far does their stance against AI go? They won't accept music. What about if AI created a cure that could save their child? Or what if AI could could sort through a massive backlog of evidence in unsolved murders and other violent crimes giving new leads previously missed? I am just curious if some people will simply be against it no matter what the use is. As for myself I think it has it's uses but also think it comes at a heavy price as in massive power and water consumption and other issues it comes with. Anyways
- abenga 4mo ago
  It's not created any cure or solved crime though. The times it's been applied to those problems, it's either regurgitated stuff that's already in the data or led to the arrest of innocent people. Also, re: music, if I was fine with listening to AI music, why would I listen to the output of someone else's prompt instead of creating my own?

Jach 4mo ago

I wonder about false-positives too, or just disagreements with what is stated vs. "detected". In what I guess is a reaction to the huge amount of AI music, I notice a lot of other music gets posted with titles or tags saying in extent "made without AI". Yet when I listen to it, at least half the time I suspect AI was used, and they are just lying to get increased reach from the AI-hater crowd...

shevy-java 4mo ago

> People praising it in the comments seem none the wiser (or perhaps they're also bots). I am pretty certain most comments made on youtube these days come from bots. Google does not understand that this is a problem - no real human wants to "interact" with bots or AI slop. They kind of cannibalize youtube here (not that the youtube comments system was great, but you can find real humans making comments in the past, now you can not distinguish between bot spam and real humans usually, though most short comments are made by bots).

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emodendroket 4mo ago

I mean the whole point of music like that is you're not really listening to it and it's kind of on/blocking out noise, right? It's hard to think of a situation where completely AI-generated music would be more competitive or less objectionable.

delis-thumbs-7e 4mo ago

I was at the gym the other day with my bf and there was some godawful lame crap on the playlist. I asked my bf if it was AI generated in his opinion, he laughed and said it was Harry Styles… Most of pop music had driven any creative energy it ever had to the ground already in the 90’s and 00’s and listening music from past 10-15 years or so, even if it’s not AI -generated, it might as well be. In a way AI just brings this progression into its logical conclusion. Most people simply don’t care about art and music, and it doesn’t matter who or what made it and if it even sounds like… anything. People do not want to communicate across oceans, cultures, and centuries the lived experience of what it is to be human, hear stories what it was, say, live as a 28-year-old (possibly gay) composer with syphilis in early 19th century vienna, or standing on the street corner slinging crack in 80’s Brooklyn. They want to stay in their own bubble bed sherts over their heads smelling their own farts. I guess that’s just fine. Just fine. Amazing.

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onion2k 4mo ago

Curious to see if this will apply to music. I imagine it'll apply to anything with a SynthID watermark. https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/ https://deepmind.google/models/synthid/

HeartStrings 4mo ago

Easy to solve: just label ALL music uploads after 2024 as AI. "B-b-b-but what if I create genuine wo—“ You won’t. NEXT

verst 4mo ago

I can easily create a 1 hour track in Ableton and have some minor variations every say 48 measures. It's basically just copy paste with some parameter variation which can be scripted. So not everything like that is necessarily AI generated!

bilekas 4mo ago
> I can easily create a 1 hour track in Ableton and have some minor variations every say 48 measures. It's basically just copy paste with some parameter variation which can be scripted. What's the difference with AI doing it instead of your script ?
- anshorei 4mo ago
  Is human-scripted art (e.g. https://nannou.cc/ https://nannou.cc/) art? Is music programmed to play on an orchestrion art? Is the music produced using a modular synth setup art? If your answer to any of these questions is "yes", and your answer to "can AI create art" is no, then there is a difference between AI doing it and a script. That said the discussion around "human" art and "AI" art often lacks nuance, and I believe there's lots of space to explore art that uses AI. Humans produce a lot of crappy art, this crappy art requires humans to invest time and effort. With AI it is possible for humans to produce lots of crappy art without investing time and effort, so an deluge of crappy AI art follows. If I use AI to strip backgrounds instead of traditional greenscreen methods, is the end result "crappy AI art"? I'd hope no one sets those standards. I'd hope my videos would be judged as "crappy human art" since I still did the camera work the acting and the editing. If I use AI for visual effects in my video because I don't have visual effect training and don't have money to hire someone with experience (I don't make money from my occasional fun video projects), does that make it "crappy AI art"? I don't believe so. But somewhere between there and the content farm AI slop filling the Youtube servers there is a point where it becomes "crappy AI art" and I can't tell you where that point is because I'm still trying to figure it out.
  - bilekas 4mo ago
    Yeah, you make some good points, and it's an interesting question. There's far more nuance I guess that I considered, I guess what's a bit disheartening about the amount of generated music in this case is that it does make it harder for those who create and put really a lot of effort into their work to find some traction. Then again they said Spotify would ruin the music industry also, and to some degree it has only benefited a minority of artists. I guess either way we will see. Art is only appreciated by those who appreciate it so who am I to judge.

bandrami 4mo ago

Music may be a special case because generative/algorithmic music has been a thing for much longer than AI (in the 2020s sense) has existed. So it's more a question of how/whether it gets integrated into an existing generative market than it being a new category.

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littlecranky67 4mo ago

I personally like an AI cover version of Nirvana's "In bloom" song in country style [0]. Just because it is AI generated doesn't mean that I enjoy it less. Labelling videos as AI is fair and I welcome youtubes changes in that regard nonetheless. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNImbw1TABo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNImbw1TABo

mattacular 4mo ago
For one made by a real band check out Sturgill Simpson's cover