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Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'
- ale42 5mo agoOn my PC, the site displays a weird "Your browser is not Javascript enable or you have turn it off. We recommend you to activate for better security reason" banner on the top... not sure if it's my ad blocker that messes up some CSS styles that makes this appear, but the message is weird in any case. EDIT: no, it's not the ad blocker. The <noscript> tag is empty, and that string floats in the source near the <title> tag.
- klausa 5mo agoWhat's with the recent trend of putting matte coatings on the most "premium" devices? This TV does it, the Steam Deck's done it, and it almost always looks terrible (the nano-etching on recent MBPs is _fine_; but still makes the text noticeably fuzzier). The market for top-end TVs is the people who _really_ care about image quality, why would you jeopardize that with a coating that makes it _worse_? I'm fine with this being an option for those who want it, but associating "top-end" with matte is bizarre to me. I regularly regret buying the OG 512 GB Steam Deck because the matte coating on it is just so bad.
- bayindirh 5mo agoTwo reasons: Wider viewing angles and light reflection rejection. Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the ceiling lighting or sunlight from the window "alters" the image. Enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. Some features loved by others are grave flaws for others. One can't make everyone happy, so matte screens are an acceptable compromise for it, AFAIK. My old Bravia is matte-ish without "Viewing angle extending layer", which reduces contrast apparently. I'm happy with what I have. It shows moving images, syncs with sound, and is big enough.
- klausa 5mo ago> Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the ceiling lighting or sunlight from the window "alters" the image. > Enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. Some features loved by others are grave flaws for others. One can't make everyone happy, so matte screens are an acceptable compromise for it, AFAIK. You know what, fair enough. I don't mind these; but I do _hate_ the blurriness that the matte coatings introduce. Now, I wouldn't call my wife a TV tech enthusiast, but I do know that she's bothered by the reflections occasionally when I don't mind, and I know with her eyesight she straight up physically cannot notice the extra blurriness that the coatings bring.
- drcongo 5mo agoOnce the screen is 10ft away I doubt any human alive could perceive a sharpness difference from a nano texture.
- klausa 5mo agoI’d now be actually curious to do a Pepsi-style challenge to test this on myself. I give myself a ~low 40% chance of being able to tell within a minute when watching a TV show/movie _without subtitles_, maybe 60%ish with subtitles, and maybe low 80% if I was playing a game with any amount of text rendered on the screen.
- izacus 5mo agoI explicitly bought a high-end matte TV (Samsungs S95D) because of the coating - I like having light in my living room which means a lot of reflections from windows and other lights. Matte coating pretty much solved all my issues with glare and reflections and I don't have to sit in darkness while watching things anymore, it's great. The tradeoffs are negligible and appear in situations where other TVs would be unwatchable. It's been a bigger QoL upgrade than actually switching to OLED.
- klausa 5mo agoIs it fully matte, like on a desktop monitor, or is it some "reflection reduction" semi-gloss/semi-matter whatever magical coating?
- izacus 5mo agoI can't really say - there is an obvious film on it. The light/reflections turn into a very diffuse, barely visible lighter spot.
- thom 5mo agoYeah we have one of these in our kitchen diner and it's excellent.
- kawsper 5mo agoI just don’t want to be reminded how I look like while using these devices, it’s really distracting to me. If I wanted to know what I look like, I use a mirror.
- hgoel 5mo agoI haven't had any problems with the Deck's matte coating, but if it really bothers you, you can replace the screen, they're $40, and the Deck was designed to be repairable.
- zamadatix 5mo agoBecause matte vs glossy is a separate discussion from cheap vs premium. The former is about marching the expected viewing conditions and the latter is about how advanced it tries to be about doing so. If you want the most optimal possible viewing experience you need to combine multiple aspects like that, not just buy a premium device.
- klausa 5mo ago> Because matte vs glossy is a separate discussion from cheap vs premium. My whole complaint is that it increasingly isn’t! If I wanted a “premium” variant of Steam Deck, I had no choice to opt out of matte coating. If I want the best TV panel possible from Sony, it only comes with the matte coating. I’m fine with the option for matte being there for folks who like this! I just want to be able to opt-out of it, if I still want the “best” among other axes.
- jorvi 5mo agoThis echoes the tug-of-war customers are having over controller (and Steam Deck) size haha. People with big hands think the Steam Deck and PS5 controller are perfect and the Switch and PS4 controller suck. People with small hands feel the exact opposite. The option is either clever engineering or choice. Apple chose the engineering route with their nanotexture screen coatings. Microsoft has done it with the XSX controller, which has clever cut-outs so people with small hands (kids) can hold it in a different but still-comfortable way. Hopefully TV OEMS figure out a way to ape Apple.
- zamadatix 5mo agoAbout half the time in the last few years Sony's flagship OLED and Mini LED options have been glossy. When they haven't, they've been semi-glossy. Short of every model being duplicated, 50% of the time is all one can hope for.
- numpad0 5mo agoThat's the wrong way around. Matte is better for performance but gloss attract consumers so Apple puts "Pro" and glossy front in the same product. Actual pro displays are always matte, a bit like how actual pro cameras always have non-clicking shutter buttons but reviewers point that out as a con.
- Melatonic 5mo agoI don't think "matte" needs to be blurry ? Proper screen should be neither super glossy or super matte. From what I remember screens designed for color correction and whatnot are usually a sort of in between. Could also be that at the TV size the outer screen itself is glass (which is naturally "glossy" but also much clearer and lower abbe value than any plastic) so a coating to reduce reflections might be ideal. I doubt they're talking about the kind of crappy "matte" screen you might associate with an old ass Thinkpad laptop or something.
- close04 5mo agoIn every store demo people go to the TV with the most vibrant colors even if they're unrealistic. You can't even tell which is the color you're expected to see sometimes. I have the movie "Once Upon a Time in America" in 2 different editions and the colors were remastered, they look very different between the 2 copies, yellowish vs. reddish. If the source material is already like this, having super color fidelity in the panel is a paper checkmark but not super useful in practice. Maybe the 2000nits brightness in case I mount the TV in direct sunlight. This will attract a few people who are very focused on these details, and a lot of people who are very focused on the spec sheet.
- ptsneves 5mo agoAs some commenters pointed out, this is basically slowly adding a real RGB led panel behind the LCD, or an OLED with extra steps. I could not see prices but I would expect this to be significantly cheaper, or maybe the refresh rate is much better than OLED.
- bayindirh 5mo agoThe advantage is, it's cheaper, can provide better color accuracy, and won't burn in as bad as OLED since LEDs have much longer lifespan w.r.t. OLEDs. I still can't accept to use OLEDs in TVs and computer screens. Both has much higher duty cycles w.r.t. phones and tablets, and I hate burn-in.
- lnenad 5mo agoHaving had OLEDs for a while now and never experiencing burn in even in my monitor I believe this issue is either very overblown by the small amount of bad experiences and requires a large amount of misuse before it becomes a problem.
- bayindirh 5mo agoI have seen burn-in personally in my couple of early OLED devices, and saw them pretty quickly, so when I was buying my only TV and seen that RTINGS tests, I decided on an LCD. My OLED devices fared fine for a lot of years, but I'm not sold on OLED on large surfaces, and a good quality, dynamic backlit LCD is more than enough for my needs.
- lnenad 5mo agoI don't know what "early" represents for you so cannot comment on that but my close to 10 year old 55 inch tv still doesn't have it. Either way there's something about OLEDs that my eyes prefer, I cannot verbalize it. Maybe it's placebo :)
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- meindnoch 5mo agoI have a 2024 Bravia (K-77XR80) because I wanted an OLED TV with Android TV, to avoid yet another vendor spying on me (Google already does). I also hoped that a "premium" brand like Sony would offer a better UX than other brands. Well, I was wrong. Watching movies on OLED (or at least on this particular OLED) looks crap, because if you turn motion interpolation OFF, the image looks stuttery, apparently due to OLEDs ultra-low response time, which produces zero fading between adjacent frames. (By the way, why didn't this happen with 35mm movie projectors? They couldn't blend adjacent frames either, because they are just shining light through individual pictures on a sheet of celluloid, yet I don't remember seeing this kind of stutter in movie theatres back in the day!) And turning motion interpolation up a notch already produces the well-known soap opera effect. No, thanks. The UI is laggy. It's as if Sony used a chipset that couldn't handle Android TV driving a 4k display or something. And to make things worse, the UI had to be filled with all kinds of animated transitions, which of course make lagging even more noticeable. If there was one thing to learn from Apple in the past 20 years, it's that a consistent UI framerate must be prioritized over everything (except maybe realtime audio). Dropped frames = cheap, trash UX. Also, apparently all OLED TVs must periodically do these "pixel refresh" cycles, to lengthen the lifespan of the panel. Fair. But in Sony TVs this is scheduled a few hours after the TV was turned off, and the schedule cannot be configured. The operation itself is invisible, but when the TV comes alive to do this panel maintenance it produces AN AUDIBLE RELAY CLICK like a fucking CRT TV from the 90s. You watch some TV before going to bed, then in a few hours wake up to the sound of a solenoid switch. Then after about 5-10 minutes, the relay clicks again to power off the device, so if you didn't wake up to the first click, now there's a second chance! Yay! And I can confirm this relay sound isn't unique to this particular Bravia model, because I have a smaller one in the bedroom, and it's the same. (See also on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/bravia/comments/vx2efk/sony_a80j_i_bought_a_few_months_ago_makes/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bravia/comments/vx2efk/sony_a80j_i_...) Premium brand, my ass. TL;DR: don't buy Sony TVs.
- bayindirh 5mo agoInteresting issue on the UI lag. My 2022 4K Sony has no lag whatsoever. Vision persistence with high intensity light is an interesting phenomenon. This is why people still love CRTs, too. OLEDs do not create that much of a light by themselves, so no persistence of vision is present. Also, why an audible click is so bothering? I can't fathom that part, sorry. Nitpicking much? BTW, I'd rather have a proper relay in my devices rather than a high-power MOSFET which can short and has a shorter lifespan. Your comment reminds me a couple of blog posts. One person wrote a 2500 word essay on something they hated so much. Then the thing got tuned or serviced or something, then they wrote 3000 word essay on how they love it. The kicker? The feature they hated most in the first was the feature they loved the most in the second one.
- blackoil 5mo agoAre these "pure" Sony or from new JV with TCL?
- Markoff 5mo agothere are no pure Sony TVs for decade(s), they use third party panels with extra steps
- zinekeller 5mo agoThis is their last hurrah where Sony is primarily in control (yes, the panels are from LG et al. and the main processor is a Mediatek, sheesh). The TCL JV will formally commence in FY 2027 (April 2027).
- Markoff 5mo agoYou mean TCL owned "Sony" Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB' why go extra steps and not buy directly from TCL or LG (though they are shutting down soon as well and their system is crap comparable to Samsung's Tizen)
- medlazik 5mo agoBugatti? Why go extra steps and not buy directly from Volkswagen?