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Pope Leo XIV says AI must serve humanity, not the powerful few
- chasd00 4mo ago[flagged]
- cyanydeez 4mo agoPresidents through out American history has believed various forms of genocide and slavery were applicable practices to modern problems; hell the current president thinks variously incredulous things. So you know, you might want to adjust your measuring stick before you critique people.
- gordian-mind 4mo agoNot every conversation is about Trump, is it possible to stop this?
- miningape 4mo agoinb4 "EvERyTHing Is PolItiKz"
- SecretDreams 4mo agoI think the whole world would like to stop talking about Trump.
- gordian-mind 4mo agoHe got elected, get over it.
- SecretDreams 4mo agoWorld doesn't seem over it yet. Like Brexit and plenty of other poor choices the various electorates of the world have previously done.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4mo agoMore to the point, "it" is not the fact of his election but the fact of his policy decisions, which are ongoing. Of course the world is still talking about that.
- gordian-mind 4mo agoIt's your point of view that those were bad choices. Why pretend otherwise?
- cyanydeez 4mo agodead people, historically, lack a POV
- SecretDreams 4mo agoWell, you're hearing people talk about them still for a reason buddy. Nobody talks about good news.
- watwut 4mo agoAnd that is why he is talked about - because he is massively damaging powerful presence. And yes people who voted for him looked forwards to have fun watching the damage. Trump was always attention sucking drama queen. So yes, voting for him is a vote to have Trump in news worldwide.
- totobrechi 4mo agoLets not forget the hideous acts that this church has commited against young men and children in america. This would the last place I'd accept leadership advise from. This message is not focused on u.s or its presidents. Its focused on leadership world wide.
- SecretDreams 4mo agoThe people best suited to give advice on how AI should be used, distributed, and controlled are probably those disconnected from the profit structure of AI.
- cyanydeez 4mo agohard out for rhe trump adminstration.
- boxed 4mo agoTheir excuse was that they lived a long time ago when people were idiots. What's the popes excuse today?
- dylan604 4mo agoBoth things can be true at the same time, so shutting down the critique (possibly because it is critiquing something you like??) just because another critique can be made is not a good counter argument
- watwut 4mo agoIn that case, the Pope does not believe "wine turns to blood if you say things to it." That claims is, very simply, a lie.
- Ardren 4mo agoIt's actually litterally true. https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html#The%20sacraments%20of%20Christian%20initiation https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/arch... 283 > Transubstantiation means the change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of his Blood. This change is brought about in the eucharistic prayer through the efficacy of the word of Christ and by the action of the Holy Spirit. However, the outward characteristics of bread and wine, that is the “eucharistic species”, remain unaltered. Edit: It's a catholic thing, and it's very silly (other denominations say its symbolic)
- watwut 4mo agoAnd that quote is not the same thing as was written originally. Explicitely hedges and ends with clear "wont have that taste, wont get you drunk". The simplification in the original in fact imploed that.
- dylan604 4mo agoThis is not the only part of Catholicism that is not written originally, but even "originally written" is difficult.
- krapp 4mo agoBoth American presidents and Abrahamic faiths have, historically, justified slavery and genocide (and often by the same pretense.) And the current President's ridiculous beliefs are just as ridiculous as believing in transubstantiation. Believing angels manifest on Earth and intercede in human affairs is no more rational believing that aliens are manifesting on Earth but are really demons, which Catholic VP JD Vance believes. The former is just more culturally accepted, and thus given the weight of dignity, but both are valid as far as a naive and literalist interpretation of the Bible is concerned, because demons exist in the Bible, but not aliens. Either way, as much as the Pope is a silly man in a silly hat looking like a fucking wizard who is required to believe in supernatural nonsense while leading a corrupt den of pedophiles, he's also absolutely and objectively correct on this specific topic and it's clear he's put far more researched thought into his opinions on AI than 99% of people on HN. Hell, he even apologized for the Church's historical support of slavery, and many people here won't even concede that slavery was ever a problem.
- totobrechi 4mo agoThe only significance here with history is we don't repeat it. There is no reason ever concede anything. Its akin to dwelling on indians introducing americans to tobacco. No group of people in the future should be judge on peoples beliefs or indiscretions. There is no connection.
- thrownthatway 4mo ago[flagged]
- krapp 4mo agoYou folks really do play to type sometimes.
- Ardren 4mo ago> Presidents through out American history has believed various forms of genocide and slavery were applicable practices to modern problems; hell the current president thinks variously incredulous things. And we shouldn't criticize them? Is that the point?
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- SecretDreams 4mo agoI'm sure most of the elite probably hold similarly wonky views.
- criddell 4mo agoIn other news? Why not talk about this news? Do you disagree with the Pope?
- Ardren 4mo ago> Do you disagree with the Pope? Yes I do. I don't think you a prayer can literally transform wine into blood. How about you?
- krzyk 4mo agoYou do know it is not literal transformation?
- Ardren 4mo agoIt's actually is a literal transformation (and only a Catholic thing) https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html#The%20sacraments%20of%20Christian%20initiation https://www.vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/arch... 283 > Transubstantiation means the change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of his Blood. This change is brought about in the eucharistic prayer through the efficacy of the word of Christ and by the action of the Holy Spirit. However, the outward characteristics of bread and wine, that is the “eucharistic species”, remain unaltered.
- geerlingguy 4mo agoThere's an important distinction between the 'substance' and the 'accidents' (outward characteristics), that matters a lot in Catholic theology. Some deeper discussion around Aquinas' philosophy on the difference: https://iep.utm.edu/thomas-aquinas-metaphysics/#H4 https://iep.utm.edu/thomas-aquinas-metaphysics/#H4 But I'd say any Catholic who believes in the Eucharist would admit, yeah, it's a bit of an odd thing, especially by today's standards, to consume the blood of a sacrificed animal.
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- triceratops 4mo agoYeah so? That's not really "news" anyway.
- redfloatplane 4mo agoDupe, more or less. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48265206 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48265206
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- dang 4mo agoComments moved thither. Thanks!
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- mrKola 4mo agoHe is right. Why should you not listen to him?
- throwuxiytayq 4mo agoHe’s not even right about whether god exists, and that’s literally his job. Why should I assume he’s competent about anything else?
- Pay08 4mo agoI'll listen to him when he has materially acknowledged the horrors the Church did and continues to do and dismantles the institutions responsible for those horrors.
- dontfeedthemac 4mo agobecause he is right and he is more for the people than the dumb shit you spew out of your mouth
- magic_hamster 4mo agoIn my way of life, the idea that people follow and care deeply about what some mullah has to say is very foreign. There's a mass of these people though. Their life must be so incredibly different than mine, it's just hard to fathom. I can't even imagine caring about the Pope or what they have to say. In my imagination the Pope is something out of roman times, it's just so weird this still exists today.
- thrownthatway 4mo ago[flagged]
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- nixon_why69 4mo agoTimes have changed in a lot of dimensions. To name 2: 1) we have an AI thing now, and 2) the pope is American and more trustworthy than all of our current top politicians of both parties. It's not like people are longing for times of papal authority, they're just looking for anyone at all with common sense.
- adolph 4mo ago> more trustworthy than all of our current top politicians of both parties. Big if true. Has he addressed the previous rug sweeps about clerical child abuse?
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- sznio 4mo agoIran should have a nuke. Might finally bring some peace.
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- jungturk 4mo agoWouldn't your claim be consistent with the Pope's request? Why would he be unhappy about that?
- tyjen 4mo agoYes and people who use it for dominating industries and markets out of pure greed have the potential displace and disenfranchise large swaths of the population. The possibility to tier society into people with full access to AI and people with severely limited access binding them with significant permanent disadvantages. You don't have to agree with everything to Pope stands for to understand the potential dark paths AI could lead humanity to.
- SV_BubbleTime 4mo ago> Yes and people who use [AI] for dominating industries and markets Uh, who? Smoke of course; but did you find fire?
- add-sub-mul-div 4mo ago100% of the knowledge was already available, and without the need to be logged in to an account to be tracked.
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- SV_BubbleTime 4mo agoI’m not going to be contented until I can get Ja’s take on if LLMs even have the slightest potential to be an engine behind artificial general intelligence. Or that they definitely won’t be but the ideas that will come from layering and transformers will be vital for example.
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