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Then they should have made the position clear to the public, or at the very least have some communication with the employees. It's not hard to say that they wer

Then they should have made the position clear to the public, or at the very least have some communication with the employees. It's not hard to say that they were against Sam for some particular reason, if they are firing him. At least if the reason is good that might have given them some credibility. And why did Ilya become Sam lover after 2 days?

rfv6723 5mo ago
The employees are on Sam's side. Employees works for money and Sam brought money in.
- YetAnotherNick 5mo ago
  This is so obviously wrong I don't know how this theory got popular. OpenAI had everything from compute to brand name to contracts. Sam wasn't the reason the money was coming, employees and OpenAI were. Even if Sam bought them money, board could still tell the reason of firing Sam rather than keeping it a secret. And why did Ilya flip? He doesn't have much to gain by being in non profit when he could get more money elsewhere.
  - Recursing 5mo ago
    At the time gwern alleged it was because of Brockman's wife https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/181o1q4/comment/kaduioa/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/181o1q4/co...
    - Keyframe 5mo ago
      Wow, emotions and all. These people should never be anywhere near dangerous technology such as advanced AI. Luckily, neither of them seem to be anymore since openAI lost its leading (technical) edge to other companies.
      - sourcecodeplz 4mo ago
        People are people, same everywhere, emotions and all.
maplethorpe 5mo ago
> Then they should have made the position clear to the public From what I understand, their legal counsel advised them not to speak publicly. Being inexperienced in this sort of political game, they thought they were doing the right thing.
- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 4mo ago
  I just want to point out that it was the company's legal counsel I believe. Hence the "right thing" was only the right thing for the company. Not necessary for the greater good or their conscience.
jstummbillig 4mo ago
I mean this in the best sense possible: Ilya is obviously a very strange human being. People seem to always entirely ignore this when discussing what happened at OpenAI and I feel including it serves well when trying to explain much of what happened.

rfv6723 5mo ago

The employees are on Sam's side. Employees works for money and Sam brought money in.

YetAnotherNick 5mo ago
This is so obviously wrong I don't know how this theory got popular. OpenAI had everything from compute to brand name to contracts. Sam wasn't the reason the money was coming, employees and OpenAI were. Even if Sam bought them money, board could still tell the reason of firing Sam rather than keeping it a secret. And why did Ilya flip? He doesn't have much to gain by being in non profit when he could get more money elsewhere.
- Recursing 5mo ago
  At the time gwern alleged it was because of Brockman's wife https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/181o1q4/comment/kaduioa/ https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/181o1q4/co...
  - Keyframe 5mo ago
    Wow, emotions and all. These people should never be anywhere near dangerous technology such as advanced AI. Luckily, neither of them seem to be anymore since openAI lost its leading (technical) edge to other companies.
    - sourcecodeplz 4mo ago
      People are people, same everywhere, emotions and all.

maplethorpe 5mo ago

> Then they should have made the position clear to the public From what I understand, their legal counsel advised them not to speak publicly. Being inexperienced in this sort of political game, they thought they were doing the right thing.

Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 4mo ago
I just want to point out that it was the company's legal counsel I believe. Hence the "right thing" was only the right thing for the company. Not necessary for the greater good or their conscience.

jstummbillig 4mo ago

I mean this in the best sense possible: Ilya is obviously a very strange human being. People seem to always entirely ignore this when discussing what happened at OpenAI and I feel including it serves well when trying to explain much of what happened.