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Seems like causality might be reversed here. People become more politically conservative the more jaded they become with the healthcare system.

grahamburger 5mo ago
Many people in the US become more liberal as they become more jaded by the (for-profit) healthcare system.
forgetfreeman 5mo ago
Through what mechanism does dissatisfaction with our for-profit healthcare system lead to support for eg. expansionist foreign wars or aggressive policing policies?
- add-sub-mul-div 5mo ago
  Fear of pronouns.
pjc50 5mo ago
Isn't it just that they're in the Republican misinformation ecosystem? This because extreme over COVID. A particular low point was Herman Cain's Twitter account doing COVID denial while, and after, the man died of COVID.
- zzgo 5mo ago
  They posthumously named The Herman Cain Award after him. https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
fabian2k 5mo ago
Why would that make you more conservative? Republicans don't have any answers to fix the US healthcare system. It would be far more plausible that someone that experienced the failure of the health care system would vote for a populist position here, and for healthcare the more convincing populist position is certainly the left one.
- leereeves 5mo ago
  The current healthcare system was mostly shaped by Democrats with the Affordable Care Act (sometimes called Obamacare) at a time when Democrats held a filibuster proof majority.
  - zzgo 5mo ago
    The ACA is grounded in a lot of political policy going back to the Nixon era, and draws from quite a bit of conservative ideas. The individual mandate itself, for example, was a Heritage Foundation proposal from the late 80s, and was ironically one of the main targets of Republican objection during and after the implementation of the ACA. If you review Nixon's CHIP proposal (https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/ https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehens...), you'll find a proposal that maps pretty closely onto the ACA marketplace that we now have available. "Mostly shaped by Democrats with major proposals cribbed from Republicans" would be a more accurate assessment.
    - gatlin 5mo ago
      Do you earnestly think the electorate thinks about these things?
      - zzgo 5mo ago
        I'm just responding to the claim "The current healthcare system was mostly shaped by Democrats."
  - bsder 5mo ago
    The ACA is, in fact, warmed over RomneyCare(tm) (a Republican, please note) from Massachusetts. The fact that Kentuckians loved Kynect and hated Obamacare--which are the exact same thing (aka the ACA)--tells you everything you need to know about the Republican voting public.
    - forgetfreeman 5mo ago
ajross 5mo ago
That's misunderstanding the paper. The correlation here is with outcomes, not support. Republicans may very well be more "jaded" with the healthcare system. But that doesn't explain why they die early.
PearlRiver 5mo ago
How do you become jaded with something you do not have access to? Has universal healthcare ever been tried in the US?

grahamburger 5mo ago

Many people in the US become more liberal as they become more jaded by the (for-profit) healthcare system.

forgetfreeman 5mo ago

Through what mechanism does dissatisfaction with our for-profit healthcare system lead to support for eg. expansionist foreign wars or aggressive policing policies?

add-sub-mul-div 5mo ago
Fear of pronouns.

pjc50 5mo ago

Isn't it just that they're in the Republican misinformation ecosystem? This because extreme over COVID. A particular low point was Herman Cain's Twitter account doing COVID denial while, and after, the man died of COVID.

zzgo 5mo ago
They posthumously named The Herman Cain Award after him. https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

fabian2k 5mo ago

Why would that make you more conservative? Republicans don't have any answers to fix the US healthcare system. It would be far more plausible that someone that experienced the failure of the health care system would vote for a populist position here, and for healthcare the more convincing populist position is certainly the left one.

leereeves 5mo ago
The current healthcare system was mostly shaped by Democrats with the Affordable Care Act (sometimes called Obamacare) at a time when Democrats held a filibuster proof majority.
- zzgo 5mo ago
  The ACA is grounded in a lot of political policy going back to the Nixon era, and draws from quite a bit of conservative ideas. The individual mandate itself, for example, was a Heritage Foundation proposal from the late 80s, and was ironically one of the main targets of Republican objection during and after the implementation of the ACA. If you review Nixon's CHIP proposal (https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/ https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehens...), you'll find a proposal that maps pretty closely onto the ACA marketplace that we now have available. "Mostly shaped by Democrats with major proposals cribbed from Republicans" would be a more accurate assessment.
  - gatlin 5mo ago
    Do you earnestly think the electorate thinks about these things?
    - zzgo 5mo ago
      I'm just responding to the claim "The current healthcare system was mostly shaped by Democrats."
- bsder 5mo ago
  The ACA is, in fact, warmed over RomneyCare(tm) (a Republican, please note) from Massachusetts. The fact that Kentuckians loved Kynect and hated Obamacare--which are the exact same thing (aka the ACA)--tells you everything you need to know about the Republican voting public.
  - forgetfreeman 5mo ago

ajross 5mo ago

That's misunderstanding the paper. The correlation here is with outcomes, not support. Republicans may very well be more "jaded" with the healthcare system. But that doesn't explain why they die early.

PearlRiver 5mo ago

How do you become jaded with something you do not have access to? Has universal healthcare ever been tried in the US?