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Yep. If there was one single thing that literally every person should do for their health, that is to greatly reduce or completely eliminate sugar. The evidence

Yep. If there was one single thing that literally every person should do for their health, that is to greatly reduce or completely eliminate sugar. The evidence is overwhelming. The evidence against seed oils is not quite as convincing. I see seed oils as a low quality food to be avoided - goes rancid too easily, requires chemical processing, etc. - but it's not strictly poison. These oils are in virtually every industrial "food product" which makes them unhealthy by association. Stop eating highly processed crap and you'll see the benefits - cutting out seed oils is a side effect.

stringfood 5mo ago
wonder which is worse sugar or alcohol, 2 drinks a day vs 2 cans of coke a day
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- CyberDildonics 5mo ago
  Probably alcohol, but they will both make you overweight, alcohol is metabolized in a similiar way. When you see how much sugar it takes to make alcohol it starts to make sense.
  - soco 5mo ago
    The sugar used to make alcohol is not found in the alcohol itself. Like the oil used to make plastics is not found in the food packaging. Don't mix two very different end products with very different effects - what gets killed by alcohol is not what gets killed by refined sugars. And overweight is not caused by sugar or by alcohol directly, or alone, so again it's a third discussion. Long story short: don't overuse anything. If you want only the simplest answer.
    - CyberDildonics 5mo ago
      The sugar used to make alcohol is not found in the alcohol itself. Not relevant. what gets killed by alcohol is not what gets killed by refined sugars This has nothing to do with the discussion. very different end products with very different effects In this case they share the effects being talked about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8G8tLsl_A4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8G8tLsl_A4 And overweight is not caused by sugar or by alcohol directly, They are the major contributing factors to obesity. This is not generally disputed. It is a systemic problem and trying to deny the problems by saying the primary factor isn't "the direct cause" (without any detail, nuance or information of your own) is the kind of hand waving people have been doing to obscure people understanding these problems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fermentation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fermentation https://thep53.com/how-alcohol-is-metabolized-and-its-relationship-to-sugar-production-in-the-body/ https://thep53.com/how-alcohol-is-metabolized-and-its-relati... https://scitechdaily.com/the-sugar-pathway-that-links-alcohol-addiction-and-liver-damage/ https://scitechdaily.com/the-sugar-pathway-that-links-alcoho... The difference between out two comments is that what I said is relevant and sourced.
dukeyukey 5mo ago
Added sugar? I really don't think giving up all fruits and vegetables is a good idea.
- newdee 5mo ago
  The sugar you get from fruit is also accompanied by fiber, water and other nutrients. Also harder to overeat and generally gets released into the bloodstream more slowly. I think the argument here is to eat less (highly) processed food in favour of whole foods.
  - ikidd 5mo ago
    I've known people that think switching to fruit juice from sugar sodas was going to fix them; very much not. Doesn't matter where you get the sugar, sugar is sugar and is not good for you or your arteries or weight loss.
    - orwin 5mo ago
      Fruit juice you didn't press yourself have no fibers. Honestly, the 'avoir sugar' crowd is wrong in its messaging, the correct message should be 'increase your fiber intake'. Also an effect of fiber is that it increases your transit speed and quality a lot (a lot). I don't know if that also have an effect on how much sugar and fat is absorbed in the small intestine, but I recently managed to loose weight I had a lot of trouble eliminating without changing my calorie intake. Basically I went from 115 kg to 95 with reducing my calorie intake without much trouble (stopped sugar and alcohol basically) in 2-3 years, and didn't manage to go much lower in the last 6 year (I was around 90-88 by starting physical activity, but those 5kg took 4 years to loose and I stabilized again). But I recently had transit issues, and started eating more fiber like 3 months ago. I lost 1 kg over the timeframe, while having a way better time on the toilets, and it was even easier than stopping sugar (just eat more greens, beans and oats), as I didn't change my meal size.
      - HappMacDonald 5mo ago
        Your thoughts on "Cracklin' oat bran"? My thoughts are that it's too sweet, though I don't know what quality its fiber has: like is it decent dietary fiber or a nutrition label dodge of some sort.

stringfood 5mo ago

wonder which is worse sugar or alcohol, 2 drinks a day vs 2 cans of coke a day

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CyberDildonics 5mo ago
Probably alcohol, but they will both make you overweight, alcohol is metabolized in a similiar way. When you see how much sugar it takes to make alcohol it starts to make sense.
- soco 5mo ago
  The sugar used to make alcohol is not found in the alcohol itself. Like the oil used to make plastics is not found in the food packaging. Don't mix two very different end products with very different effects - what gets killed by alcohol is not what gets killed by refined sugars. And overweight is not caused by sugar or by alcohol directly, or alone, so again it's a third discussion. Long story short: don't overuse anything. If you want only the simplest answer.
  - CyberDildonics 5mo ago
    The sugar used to make alcohol is not found in the alcohol itself. Not relevant. what gets killed by alcohol is not what gets killed by refined sugars This has nothing to do with the discussion. very different end products with very different effects In this case they share the effects being talked about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8G8tLsl_A4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8G8tLsl_A4 And overweight is not caused by sugar or by alcohol directly, They are the major contributing factors to obesity. This is not generally disputed. It is a systemic problem and trying to deny the problems by saying the primary factor isn't "the direct cause" (without any detail, nuance or information of your own) is the kind of hand waving people have been doing to obscure people understanding these problems. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fermentation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fermentation https://thep53.com/how-alcohol-is-metabolized-and-its-relationship-to-sugar-production-in-the-body/ https://thep53.com/how-alcohol-is-metabolized-and-its-relati... https://scitechdaily.com/the-sugar-pathway-that-links-alcohol-addiction-and-liver-damage/ https://scitechdaily.com/the-sugar-pathway-that-links-alcoho... The difference between out two comments is that what I said is relevant and sourced.

dukeyukey 5mo ago

Added sugar? I really don't think giving up all fruits and vegetables is a good idea.

newdee 5mo ago
The sugar you get from fruit is also accompanied by fiber, water and other nutrients. Also harder to overeat and generally gets released into the bloodstream more slowly. I think the argument here is to eat less (highly) processed food in favour of whole foods.
- ikidd 5mo ago
  I've known people that think switching to fruit juice from sugar sodas was going to fix them; very much not. Doesn't matter where you get the sugar, sugar is sugar and is not good for you or your arteries or weight loss.
  - orwin 5mo ago
    Fruit juice you didn't press yourself have no fibers. Honestly, the 'avoir sugar' crowd is wrong in its messaging, the correct message should be 'increase your fiber intake'. Also an effect of fiber is that it increases your transit speed and quality a lot (a lot). I don't know if that also have an effect on how much sugar and fat is absorbed in the small intestine, but I recently managed to loose weight I had a lot of trouble eliminating without changing my calorie intake. Basically I went from 115 kg to 95 with reducing my calorie intake without much trouble (stopped sugar and alcohol basically) in 2-3 years, and didn't manage to go much lower in the last 6 year (I was around 90-88 by starting physical activity, but those 5kg took 4 years to loose and I stabilized again). But I recently had transit issues, and started eating more fiber like 3 months ago. I lost 1 kg over the timeframe, while having a way better time on the toilets, and it was even easier than stopping sugar (just eat more greens, beans and oats), as I didn't change my meal size.
    - HappMacDonald 5mo ago
      Your thoughts on "Cracklin' oat bran"? My thoughts are that it's too sweet, though I don't know what quality its fiber has: like is it decent dietary fiber or a nutrition label dodge of some sort.