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I try to take the middle road: Making 50-75%+ of my calories come from refined, powderized carbs and sugar (original food pyramid) - Bad Eating whole foods, l

by InMice 4mo ago

I try to take the middle road: Making 50-75%+ of my calories come from refined, powderized carbs and sugar (original food pyramid) - Bad Eating whole foods, lightly cooked. Whole food starch sources, often retrograde starch. avoid high heat fried foods, eat mostly leaner meats - Good Declaring plants and seed oils evil, nothing but lard, tallow and red meat and a dozen eggs a day - Bad Two meals day with no snacking works for me. 3 meals a day feels like im stuffing myself.

lopis 4mo ago
If people got 75% of their calories from plant based whole foods, a lot of health problems would probably disappear overnight.
- InMice 4mo ago
  I would agree
- onion2k 4mo ago
  Is that even possible with the current food supply chain though?
  - Incipient 4mo ago
    It absolutely is in Australia, and I suspect Europe (from when I went 5 or so years ago). Even mostly possible in Houston when I was there 15 years ago. The US is even more cooked than I thought if you can get a bunch of fresh veggies from a grocery store.
    - cogman10 4mo ago
      > The US is even more cooked than I thought if you can get a bunch of fresh veggies from a grocery store. Depends entirely on where someone is. I'd say the majority of the population can get to fresh veg. But there are people, particularly in rural and poor communities, who are isolated from fresh or frozen veg. We have "dollar stores" which go up in the poorest communities and are usually a sure sign of a food desert. I'd say that anyone with a car can probably access fresh veg. They might have to travel some distance to do that.
  - nekzn 4mo ago
    Obviously. But you also need the time to cook and not to have the appetite of a 10 year old. The latter, from what I've observed, is quite common in grown adults.
    - lopis 4mo ago
      If all you eat is junk food, I think the vegan food industry has already pretty much solved that part.
    - aziaziazi 4mo ago
      What do you mean by "appetite of a 10yo” ? 10yo that are 75% vegan are not rare and the appetite comes with habits. Changing is far easier for a 10yo than a 75yo. Why "cook”? In a hurry I grab a can of bean, a carrot, a branch of celery, some rye bred and a square of tofu. No prep or tooling except a spoon for the beans. Something hot at the snack? Grab a veggie pad thaï, veggie pizza, veggie burger (with actual veggies), daal with veggies…
      - nekzn 4mo ago
        I mean people who only eat stuff like nuggets and fries. That kind of thing. You’ll never see them eat a legume stew or roasted vegetables.
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    > Is that even possible with the current food supply chain though? Yes. Potatoes, onions and beans have are healthy, cheap and well-supplied staples. And I absolutely notice when I’m on a bean and onion week versus a sandwich or rice week.
    - knollimar 4mo ago
      what does "notice" mean in this context???
  - 3eb7988a1663 4mo ago
    On a per-calorie basis, yes. Animal protein requires 10x the input of what you get back: 100 calories of chicken requires 1000 calories of feed. Now what we feed livestock is unlikely what most people would want to consume, but the systems are in place to allow such a transition. Last time I looked it up, the US produces something like a ~million+~ kilograms of corn for every person in the country. Edit: it was pointed out my corn estimate was off, and it is order of magnitude 1000kg per person.
    - joha4270 4mo ago
      I think you have misplaced a unit somewhere, because that would be a truly absurd amount of corn. A quick trip past wikipedia [1] suggest the figure was 383.6 million tonnes in 2021, which is still approximately a thousand kilograms of corn per person, which is still a lot (more than my annual consumption, that's for sure) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_production_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_production_in_the_United_...
      - 3eb7988a1663 4mo ago
        Hmmm, sure enough. What's three orders of magnitude between friends?
  - bawolff 4mo ago
    > Is that even possible with the current food supply chain though? Given that vegans exist, i'm going to say yes, its entirely possible if you feel like it.
    - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
      To be fair, plenty of niche diets exist that could not be adopted by the broader population without supply-chain retooling. But practically, yes, this is not a real objection.
  - lopis 4mo ago
    Naturally any overnight change that drastic would collapse the global economy and society would collapse. But given some time and will, I don't see why not.
andai 4mo ago
Mammoth diet - Good good!
WickyNilliams 4mo ago
Curious why you categorize lightly cooked as good but high heat as bad? Do you mean deep fried specifically? Or any high heat?

by InMice 4mo ago

lopis 4mo ago

If people got 75% of their calories from plant based whole foods, a lot of health problems would probably disappear overnight.

InMice 4mo ago
I would agree
onion2k 4mo ago
Is that even possible with the current food supply chain though?
- Incipient 4mo ago
  It absolutely is in Australia, and I suspect Europe (from when I went 5 or so years ago). Even mostly possible in Houston when I was there 15 years ago. The US is even more cooked than I thought if you can get a bunch of fresh veggies from a grocery store.
  - cogman10 4mo ago
    > The US is even more cooked than I thought if you can get a bunch of fresh veggies from a grocery store. Depends entirely on where someone is. I'd say the majority of the population can get to fresh veg. But there are people, particularly in rural and poor communities, who are isolated from fresh or frozen veg. We have "dollar stores" which go up in the poorest communities and are usually a sure sign of a food desert. I'd say that anyone with a car can probably access fresh veg. They might have to travel some distance to do that.
- nekzn 4mo ago
  Obviously. But you also need the time to cook and not to have the appetite of a 10 year old. The latter, from what I've observed, is quite common in grown adults.
  - lopis 4mo ago
    If all you eat is junk food, I think the vegan food industry has already pretty much solved that part.
  - aziaziazi 4mo ago
    What do you mean by "appetite of a 10yo” ? 10yo that are 75% vegan are not rare and the appetite comes with habits. Changing is far easier for a 10yo than a 75yo. Why "cook”? In a hurry I grab a can of bean, a carrot, a branch of celery, some rye bred and a square of tofu. No prep or tooling except a spoon for the beans. Something hot at the snack? Grab a veggie pad thaï, veggie pizza, veggie burger (with actual veggies), daal with veggies…
    - nekzn 4mo ago
      I mean people who only eat stuff like nuggets and fries. That kind of thing. You’ll never see them eat a legume stew or roasted vegetables.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > Is that even possible with the current food supply chain though? Yes. Potatoes, onions and beans have are healthy, cheap and well-supplied staples. And I absolutely notice when I’m on a bean and onion week versus a sandwich or rice week.
  - knollimar 4mo ago
    what does "notice" mean in this context???
- 3eb7988a1663 4mo ago
  On a per-calorie basis, yes. Animal protein requires 10x the input of what you get back: 100 calories of chicken requires 1000 calories of feed. Now what we feed livestock is unlikely what most people would want to consume, but the systems are in place to allow such a transition. Last time I looked it up, the US produces something like a ~million+~ kilograms of corn for every person in the country. Edit: it was pointed out my corn estimate was off, and it is order of magnitude 1000kg per person.
  - joha4270 4mo ago
    I think you have misplaced a unit somewhere, because that would be a truly absurd amount of corn. A quick trip past wikipedia [1] suggest the figure was 383.6 million tonnes in 2021, which is still approximately a thousand kilograms of corn per person, which is still a lot (more than my annual consumption, that's for sure) [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_production_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_production_in_the_United_...
    - 3eb7988a1663 4mo ago
      Hmmm, sure enough. What's three orders of magnitude between friends?
- bawolff 4mo ago
  > Is that even possible with the current food supply chain though? Given that vegans exist, i'm going to say yes, its entirely possible if you feel like it.
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    To be fair, plenty of niche diets exist that could not be adopted by the broader population without supply-chain retooling. But practically, yes, this is not a real objection.
- lopis 4mo ago
  Naturally any overnight change that drastic would collapse the global economy and society would collapse. But given some time and will, I don't see why not.

andai 4mo ago

Mammoth diet - Good good!

WickyNilliams 4mo ago

Curious why you categorize lightly cooked as good but high heat as bad? Do you mean deep fried specifically? Or any high heat?