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There are already far too many US college grads who can’t get jobs. I have friends who had 1500+ SAT scores with stem degrees who never found meaningful work. G

There are already far too many US college grads who can’t get jobs. I have friends who had 1500+ SAT scores with stem degrees who never found meaningful work. Give these people jobs before you give it to the Chinese.

bubblethink 5mo ago
That's just DEI. We just got rid of that with much fanfare.
matwood 5mo ago
> There are already far too many US college grads who can’t get jobs. Recent college grads have had a harder time, but is slowly improving again [1]. All college grads are around 3% which is usually considered full employment. It was so easy for so long, any reversion to normal is met with the sky is falling. We haven't really seen that yet. The job market is also much much larger than big tech. In my own experience trying to hire people, it's hard to filter real resumes from fakes/garbage. I have to think this issue is making it slower to hire recent grads. [1] https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:unemployment https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:...
- bluecheese452 5mo ago
  It was always easy to get a job working at chipotle. We are talking real jobs here.
bluegatty 5mo ago
+ Green Cards are mostly for spouses. + "Give these people jobs before you give it to the Chinese." is just slightly racist, I'm not saying it's entirely objectionable, but you could just say 'non-citizen'. + It's way harder to hire someone on H1B than a local. There is a reason they are being hired. 1500+ SAT is nice but it's not magic entry point for a job. There are definitely some kinds of jobs - 'Plain IT' where Tata and some Indian companies are just 'India First'. That's H1B abuse. But by and large, that's not the case. It's better to consider 'tightening up the program' if you think it should be, as opposed to making very broad considerations. 'Broad Brushstroke' stopping of these programs will definitely hurt the US.
- bluecheese452 5mo ago
  The context was China, not generic non citizen. I could have said Chinese citizens but that sounds wordy and awkward. Meh you can’t win. If you can’t train a 1500+ SAT and instead need to import non citizens to fill your jobs you have failed as a society.
  - bluegatty 5mo ago
    1500 SAT is not very meaningful. I'm a top-1% scorer on similar type of thing and it's not a strong indication. If they had a CS degree, and were generally decent communicators and 'responsible actors' ... and could not get a job - now that's a problem.
    - bluecheese452 5mo ago
      Cool, I know half a dozen and I don’t even know that many people.

bubblethink 5mo ago

That's just DEI. We just got rid of that with much fanfare.

matwood 5mo ago

> There are already far too many US college grads who can’t get jobs. Recent college grads have had a harder time, but is slowly improving again [1]. All college grads are around 3% which is usually considered full employment. It was so easy for so long, any reversion to normal is met with the sky is falling. We haven't really seen that yet. The job market is also much much larger than big tech. In my own experience trying to hire people, it's hard to filter real resumes from fakes/garbage. I have to think this issue is making it slower to hire recent grads. [1] https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:explore:unemployment https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:...

bluecheese452 5mo ago
It was always easy to get a job working at chipotle. We are talking real jobs here.

bluegatty 5mo ago

+ Green Cards are mostly for spouses. + "Give these people jobs before you give it to the Chinese." is just slightly racist, I'm not saying it's entirely objectionable, but you could just say 'non-citizen'. + It's way harder to hire someone on H1B than a local. There is a reason they are being hired. 1500+ SAT is nice but it's not magic entry point for a job. There are definitely some kinds of jobs - 'Plain IT' where Tata and some Indian companies are just 'India First'. That's H1B abuse. But by and large, that's not the case. It's better to consider 'tightening up the program' if you think it should be, as opposed to making very broad considerations. 'Broad Brushstroke' stopping of these programs will definitely hurt the US.

bluecheese452 5mo ago
The context was China, not generic non citizen. I could have said Chinese citizens but that sounds wordy and awkward. Meh you can’t win. If you can’t train a 1500+ SAT and instead need to import non citizens to fill your jobs you have failed as a society.
- bluegatty 5mo ago
  1500 SAT is not very meaningful. I'm a top-1% scorer on similar type of thing and it's not a strong indication. If they had a CS degree, and were generally decent communicators and 'responsible actors' ... and could not get a job - now that's a problem.
  - bluecheese452 5mo ago
    Cool, I know half a dozen and I don’t even know that many people.