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> . So that seems to indicate that Japan doesn't really care. Additionally, Japan has a very clear and straightforward process to convert HSP Visa (Highly skil

by adev_ 5mo ago

> . So that seems to indicate that Japan doesn't really care. Additionally, Japan has a very clear and straightforward process to convert HSP Visa (Highly skilled visa) to a permanent residency. It can be done in 3years for most and to 1year for the high level candidatures (PhD profiles). This is very far from the current H1B shitshow.

SeattleAntifa 5mo ago
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timr 5mo ago
> Additionally, Japan has a very clear and straightforward process to convert HSP Visa (Highly skilled visa) to a permanent residency. I mean, that's true as far as it goes, but HSP is one special visa amongst many, and they're not all so easy. Also, Japan is currently in the middle of its own dramatic restructuring of the immigration system related to HSP, including a number of new requirements that would drive critics of the US system to apoplexy (i.e. language fluency requirements). Overall, the Japanese system looks a lot more conservative than the US one, though the sanity and consistency level is far higher.
- adev_ 5mo ago
  > HSP is one special visa amongst many, and they're not all so easy. Japan has a selective immigration system where the profiles JP gov considers as "necessary" are made easy to immigrate, and the others not so much. One can disagree with the method, but at least it is consistent. Near that, half of the American tech (and associated GDP) is constructed highly qualified immigrated engineers on H1B visas, and still the US gov openly shit on them. > US system to apoplexy (i.e. language fluency requirements) JP mainly just put some Japanese language level requirement on the HSP visas related to roles with communication. That honestly does not shock me.
  - timr 5mo ago
    We agree that the Japanese system is far more consistent. I think it's better! But let's not kid ourselves: if the US instituted a CEFR B2 language requirement [1] for anyone on an H1B visa to gain residency, it would be an absolute shitshow. [1] This is the new Japanese language requirement.
    - saalweachter 5mo ago
      For the US to institute a language standard, we'd first have to agree on an official language at the federal level.
      - _n_b_ 5mo ago
        There's a (fairly basic but extant) English language requirement for naturalization, so it doesn't seem inconceivable that could be applied to a visa.
        ghaff 5mo ago
        This has been a political issue in the past--mostly with respect to Spanish--but there's essentially a de facto English requirement for most purposes.
    - airstrike 5mo ago
      No, it would not be a shitshow. That's just your assumption. Do you think I could not pass that test?
      - timr 5mo ago
        > Do you think I could not pass that test? Well, I don't know you, but you've missed the point entirely so... It would be a shitshow because of the politics of it. I am certain there would be plenty of people who could pass, and some who can't. Also, it's obviously my assumption.
        airstrike 5mo ago
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SeattleAntifa 5mo ago

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timr 5mo ago

> Additionally, Japan has a very clear and straightforward process to convert HSP Visa (Highly skilled visa) to a permanent residency. I mean, that's true as far as it goes, but HSP is one special visa amongst many, and they're not all so easy. Also, Japan is currently in the middle of its own dramatic restructuring of the immigration system related to HSP, including a number of new requirements that would drive critics of the US system to apoplexy (i.e. language fluency requirements). Overall, the Japanese system looks a lot more conservative than the US one, though the sanity and consistency level is far higher.

adev_ 5mo ago
> HSP is one special visa amongst many, and they're not all so easy. Japan has a selective immigration system where the profiles JP gov considers as "necessary" are made easy to immigrate, and the others not so much. One can disagree with the method, but at least it is consistent. Near that, half of the American tech (and associated GDP) is constructed highly qualified immigrated engineers on H1B visas, and still the US gov openly shit on them. > US system to apoplexy (i.e. language fluency requirements) JP mainly just put some Japanese language level requirement on the HSP visas related to roles with communication. That honestly does not shock me.
- timr 5mo ago
  We agree that the Japanese system is far more consistent. I think it's better! But let's not kid ourselves: if the US instituted a CEFR B2 language requirement [1] for anyone on an H1B visa to gain residency, it would be an absolute shitshow. [1] This is the new Japanese language requirement.
  - saalweachter 5mo ago
    For the US to institute a language standard, we'd first have to agree on an official language at the federal level.
    - _n_b_ 5mo ago
      There's a (fairly basic but extant) English language requirement for naturalization, so it doesn't seem inconceivable that could be applied to a visa.
      - ghaff 5mo ago
        This has been a political issue in the past--mostly with respect to Spanish--but there's essentially a de facto English requirement for most purposes.
  - airstrike 5mo ago
    No, it would not be a shitshow. That's just your assumption. Do you think I could not pass that test?
    - timr 5mo ago
      > Do you think I could not pass that test? Well, I don't know you, but you've missed the point entirely so... It would be a shitshow because of the politics of it. I am certain there would be plenty of people who could pass, and some who can't. Also, it's obviously my assumption.
      - airstrike 5mo ago
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