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>Americans hate us I don't mean to minimize any negative experiences you've had. But as a lifelong American, I've never heard anyone make a negative comment a

>Americans hate us I don't mean to minimize any negative experiences you've had. But as a lifelong American, I've never heard anyone make a negative comment about Mexicans. Even in online spaces like X where there is a lot of racism, it's usually not directed at Mexicans. If you look at Trump's famous comment about Mexicans in his speech from 2015, he actually points to Mexicans in the audience and refers to them as Mexico's best people. The media cut that part out, of course. (I'm not a Trump supporter.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apjNfkysjbM#t=3m25s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apjNfkysjbM#t=3m25s

valleyer 5mo ago
Here is the actual quote you are defending: TRUMP: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best -- they're not sending you [points at unidentified people off-camera] -- they're not sending you -- they're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs; they're bringing crime; they're rapists and some, I assume, are good people." There is no apparent indication in that video that the people he's pointing at are Mexican.
- rcxdude 5mo ago
  Among other issues, countries are not generally 'sending people' to immigrate to other countries. Most countries are in general keen to avoid emigration.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 5mo ago
  >There is no apparent indication in that video that the people he's pointing at are Mexican. But it seems like the most natural interpretation. The most obvious, good-faith interpretation of this quote is that Mexico has a mix of good and bad people, like every country, and the ones immigrating illegally tend to be bad. The fact that the media didn't even consider this common-sense interpretation contributed a lot to Trump's popularity.
  - valleyer 5mo ago
    Cool. Here's something he said today: TRUMP: "They're all crooks. The Somalians are -- what they've done to Minnesota -- the Somalians. They're crooked as hell. Ilhan Omar. Crooked as hell. They're all crooks. And we got 'em." Really earning that good faith!
dopple 5mo ago
> But as a lifelong American, I've never heard anyone make a negative comment about Mexicans. What an absurd statement on its face that comes from a place of extreme privilege. I am a brown-skinned man in America and I lost count of all of the times people that look like me have been denigrated and lambasted in this country.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 5mo ago
  >What an absurd statement on its face that comes from a place of extreme privilege. Oh boy, here we go again. I even said "I don't mean to minimize any negative experiences you've had" and I'm still getting the privilege discourse. You are really determined to prevent the Democrats from winning elections, aren't you? Even assuming I am privileged, then what I'm telling you is that privileged white people like myself aren't shit-talking Mexicans behind their back. Wouldn't that be relevant information? Why would it be an absurd statement? >brown-skinned That's not the same as Mexican. When was the most recent time this happened to you in person? A recent, representative concrete example would be a lot more compelling that performative outrage. It can't be online. White people catch lots of crap online too: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G88oMOwWAAIqBUp?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G88oMOwWAAIqBUp?format=jpg&name=...

valleyer 5mo ago

Here is the actual quote you are defending: TRUMP: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best -- they're not sending you [points at unidentified people off-camera] -- they're not sending you -- they're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs; they're bringing crime; they're rapists and some, I assume, are good people." There is no apparent indication in that video that the people he's pointing at are Mexican.

rcxdude 5mo ago
Among other issues, countries are not generally 'sending people' to immigrate to other countries. Most countries are in general keen to avoid emigration.
0xDEAFBEAD 5mo ago
>There is no apparent indication in that video that the people he's pointing at are Mexican. But it seems like the most natural interpretation. The most obvious, good-faith interpretation of this quote is that Mexico has a mix of good and bad people, like every country, and the ones immigrating illegally tend to be bad. The fact that the media didn't even consider this common-sense interpretation contributed a lot to Trump's popularity.
- valleyer 5mo ago
  Cool. Here's something he said today: TRUMP: "They're all crooks. The Somalians are -- what they've done to Minnesota -- the Somalians. They're crooked as hell. Ilhan Omar. Crooked as hell. They're all crooks. And we got 'em." Really earning that good faith!

dopple 5mo ago

> But as a lifelong American, I've never heard anyone make a negative comment about Mexicans. What an absurd statement on its face that comes from a place of extreme privilege. I am a brown-skinned man in America and I lost count of all of the times people that look like me have been denigrated and lambasted in this country.

0xDEAFBEAD 5mo ago
>What an absurd statement on its face that comes from a place of extreme privilege. Oh boy, here we go again. I even said "I don't mean to minimize any negative experiences you've had" and I'm still getting the privilege discourse. You are really determined to prevent the Democrats from winning elections, aren't you? Even assuming I am privileged, then what I'm telling you is that privileged white people like myself aren't shit-talking Mexicans behind their back. Wouldn't that be relevant information? Why would it be an absurd statement? >brown-skinned That's not the same as Mexican. When was the most recent time this happened to you in person? A recent, representative concrete example would be a lot more compelling that performative outrage. It can't be online. White people catch lots of crap online too: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G88oMOwWAAIqBUp?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G88oMOwWAAIqBUp?format=jpg&name=...