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It did not "have" to end, it's merely a political choice by one political faction being forced upon the entire nation.

by epistasis 5mo ago

lazide 5mo ago
You mean the elected one?
- deleted 5mo ago
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root_axis 5mo ago
People hate to be reminded of this, but that "faction" is the voters, in record numbers for the party.
- epistasis 5mo ago
  Not really, voters didn't want this, and they hate it when they are told what's happening. The media silently accepted Trump's lie at face value when he said he knew nothing about Project 2025, despite anybody with half a brain realizing it was a lie. Reporters acted like they had less than half a brain, so that they wouldn't get bopped on their nose by their editors, who in turn were already bowing down to Trump. The "faction" lied about their intentions in order to be elected. That in itself isn't uncommon, but what is uncommon is the degree to which it lied. Most Republican voters, when told about the actual policies being implemented by elected Republicans, don't believe the reports, and assume that nobody would be enacting such stupid policy. Yet the voters keep voting for them.
  - root_axis 5mo ago
    > voters didn't want this Yes they did. Of course they didn't want to be targeted themselves, but the rhetoric was very explicit about what would happen, and they already had a preview of it in 2016 and voted even more favorably for this regime this time around. > The media silently accepted Trump's lie at face value when he said he knew nothing about Project 2025 Not true. The media was very vocal about it, and it was obvious that he was on board with it. > Most Republican voters, when told about the actual policies being implemented by elected Republicans, don't believe the reports, and assume that nobody would be enacting such stupid policy. This isn't true. The recent ouster of Thomas Massie is a clear example of this. However, even if that were true, Republican voters still overwhelmingly prefer this to the alternative (Democrats), and polls show this today. > Yet the voters keep voting for them. Indeed. Not sure how you can acknowledge this but somehow believe it's not what the voters want.
    - lazyasciiart 5mo ago
      > The recent ouster of Thomas Massie is a clear example of this How?
      - root_axis 5mo ago
        The outcome of his election was a referendum on Trump's performance among engaged Republican voters.
        lazyasciiart 5mo ago
        I don’t agree that even engaged republicans actually know what’s going on. In my experience some of them are the most hoodwinked - they literally believe that all the immigrants being detained are criminals, that everyone sent to CECOT was a terrorist, that DACA recipients have all been allowed to get green cards and just not bothered to, etc.
        philipallstar 5mo ago
        It was a referendum on all swing states and on black and Hispanic voters.
    - epistasis 5mo ago
      First, you're making a big logical error by replacing "voters" with "Republican voters" or the even more narrow, extreme, and unrepresentative group of "Republican primary voters". If people knew they were voting for Project 2025, why would Trump disavow any connection to it during the campaign? It doesn't make any sense. > Republican voters still overwhelmingly prefer this to the alternative (Democrats), and polls show this today. Republican voters care less about policy than about the team. Take key Democratic policies, and present them in polls without the Democratic label, and Republicans support them. Add in the label and they don't support them. It's not hard to understand that politics is mostly treated as sports-team affiliation these days. Republicans don't vote for Republicans because of policies, they vote for Republicans because they identify as Republicans. And, claiming that the Massie vote, of just the extreme primary voters, represents the public's will? That's ridiculous. Massie still got something like 45% of the vote, among that extreme and unrepresentative bloc of voters, after Trump going hard after Massie for trying to release the Epstein files. The Massie vote is about extremist Republican's subservience to Trump, not about whether anybody actually likes policies. People despise Trump's Epstein coverup.
  - rayiner 5mo ago
    Trump's platform was literally 24 bullet points in ALL CAPS: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-pa... The first two items were: "1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION" "2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY" You're acting like Trump's immigration policy was buried in some "Project 2025" whitepaper nobody has ever read. Also, his immigration policy remains popular. According to Harvard-Harris, "Deporting all immigrants who are here illegally" remains above water at 55% support (including 33% of Democrats), 45% oppose: https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/HHP_Apr2026_KeyResults.pdf https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/HHP... (p. 26)
    - pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
      So he's sending Melania and the kids to Europe?
      - array_key_first 5mo ago
        The implication for Trump and his constituency is that this only applies to brown people. White people are, naturally, not immigrants, even when they are. That's why 100% of the examples Trump would use would be of brown people.
solid_fuel 5mo ago
It's unfortunate, by and large the republican voters seem to have looked at the wreckage of the USSR and the continual looting and decline in quality of life that countries like Russia are enjoying under a kleptocratic regime, and they took their fingers out of their collective noses for just long enough to say "yeah I want that for here!".
- throw-the-towel 5mo ago
  Even with the cleptocrats in charge, the quality of life in Russia is incredibly better that it used to be in the USSR.

It did not "have" to end, it's merely a political choice by one political faction being forced upon the entire nation.

lazide 5mo ago

You mean the elected one?

deleted 5mo ago
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root_axis 5mo ago

People hate to be reminded of this, but that "faction" is the voters, in record numbers for the party.

epistasis 5mo ago
Not really, voters didn't want this, and they hate it when they are told what's happening. The media silently accepted Trump's lie at face value when he said he knew nothing about Project 2025, despite anybody with half a brain realizing it was a lie. Reporters acted like they had less than half a brain, so that they wouldn't get bopped on their nose by their editors, who in turn were already bowing down to Trump. The "faction" lied about their intentions in order to be elected. That in itself isn't uncommon, but what is uncommon is the degree to which it lied. Most Republican voters, when told about the actual policies being implemented by elected Republicans, don't believe the reports, and assume that nobody would be enacting such stupid policy. Yet the voters keep voting for them.
- root_axis 5mo ago
  > voters didn't want this Yes they did. Of course they didn't want to be targeted themselves, but the rhetoric was very explicit about what would happen, and they already had a preview of it in 2016 and voted even more favorably for this regime this time around. > The media silently accepted Trump's lie at face value when he said he knew nothing about Project 2025 Not true. The media was very vocal about it, and it was obvious that he was on board with it. > Most Republican voters, when told about the actual policies being implemented by elected Republicans, don't believe the reports, and assume that nobody would be enacting such stupid policy. This isn't true. The recent ouster of Thomas Massie is a clear example of this. However, even if that were true, Republican voters still overwhelmingly prefer this to the alternative (Democrats), and polls show this today. > Yet the voters keep voting for them. Indeed. Not sure how you can acknowledge this but somehow believe it's not what the voters want.
  - lazyasciiart 5mo ago
    > The recent ouster of Thomas Massie is a clear example of this How?
    - root_axis 5mo ago
      The outcome of his election was a referendum on Trump's performance among engaged Republican voters.
      - lazyasciiart 5mo ago
        I don’t agree that even engaged republicans actually know what’s going on. In my experience some of them are the most hoodwinked - they literally believe that all the immigrants being detained are criminals, that everyone sent to CECOT was a terrorist, that DACA recipients have all been allowed to get green cards and just not bothered to, etc.
      - philipallstar 5mo ago
        It was a referendum on all swing states and on black and Hispanic voters.
  - epistasis 5mo ago
    First, you're making a big logical error by replacing "voters" with "Republican voters" or the even more narrow, extreme, and unrepresentative group of "Republican primary voters". If people knew they were voting for Project 2025, why would Trump disavow any connection to it during the campaign? It doesn't make any sense. > Republican voters still overwhelmingly prefer this to the alternative (Democrats), and polls show this today. Republican voters care less about policy than about the team. Take key Democratic policies, and present them in polls without the Democratic label, and Republicans support them. Add in the label and they don't support them. It's not hard to understand that politics is mostly treated as sports-team affiliation these days. Republicans don't vote for Republicans because of policies, they vote for Republicans because they identify as Republicans. And, claiming that the Massie vote, of just the extreme primary voters, represents the public's will? That's ridiculous. Massie still got something like 45% of the vote, among that extreme and unrepresentative bloc of voters, after Trump going hard after Massie for trying to release the Epstein files. The Massie vote is about extremist Republican's subservience to Trump, not about whether anybody actually likes policies. People despise Trump's Epstein coverup.
- rayiner 5mo ago
  Trump's platform was literally 24 bullet points in ALL CAPS: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-pa... The first two items were: "1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION" "2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY" You're acting like Trump's immigration policy was buried in some "Project 2025" whitepaper nobody has ever read. Also, his immigration policy remains popular. According to Harvard-Harris, "Deporting all immigrants who are here illegally" remains above water at 55% support (including 33% of Democrats), 45% oppose: https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/HHP_Apr2026_KeyResults.pdf https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/HHP... (p. 26)
  - pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
    So he's sending Melania and the kids to Europe?
    - array_key_first 5mo ago
      The implication for Trump and his constituency is that this only applies to brown people. White people are, naturally, not immigrants, even when they are. That's why 100% of the examples Trump would use would be of brown people.

solid_fuel 5mo ago

It's unfortunate, by and large the republican voters seem to have looked at the wreckage of the USSR and the continual looting and decline in quality of life that countries like Russia are enjoying under a kleptocratic regime, and they took their fingers out of their collective noses for just long enough to say "yeah I want that for here!".

throw-the-towel 5mo ago
Even with the cleptocrats in charge, the quality of life in Russia is incredibly better that it used to be in the USSR.