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Oura doesn't even have GPS does it? Government can already get ALL your celltower locations without a warrant AND read all your emails and text messages that
by ck2 5mo ago
Oura doesn't even have GPS does it?
Government can already get ALL your celltower locations without a warrant
AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant
- arusahni 5mo agoIn a society where women are being prosecuted for medical procedures, menstrual data becomes very risky to have handed over.
- michelb 5mo agoProbably this yeah. Your location data can be obtained from other devices than your own, but this medical data cannot.
- kevin_thibedeau 5mo agoI sat in a meeting at a data broker in 1998 where one of their product managers was strangely proud about how they could determine menstrual cycles from purchase records. It wasn't just hygiene products either. They already have that data and manipulate women with targeted ads timed for the optimal receptivity.
- speff 5mo agoFrom what I understand, they can get call records and subscription info w/ administrative subpoenas, but this is the first I've heard of them being able to get location data without a warrant. Assuming you meant directly from the telcos and not from the data broker loopholes - in which case pretty much anyone should be able to do that. Emails and texts they still need a warrant for.
- n8m8 5mo agoGreat, so they can further extrapolate what exact locations you get nervous / are more relaxed / walk more quickly… the understated problem with PII isn’t about any single data point, it’s about combining data to make probable inferences.
- ethersteeds 5mo agoThe ring doesn't have gps but its app requires location permission so it gets it from your phone. It continually asks me to turn on background sync, which would presumably upload my location regularly as well. I decline and only allow location when the app is open to sync.
- treesknees 5mo agoLocation is used for tracking distance/speed for certain activities and measuring VO2 max levels, and for finding a lost ring.
- dalyons 5mo agoThey already know where your phone is…
- tensor 5mo agoThey can read all your emails that are over 6 months old? What are you basing this on? First I've heard of it.
- ck2 5mo agoIt is well known, just no-one talks about it anymore like NSA, DHS violations, etc. Why do you think she had a personal email server in her basement instead of using a 3rd party? Bill Clinton signed 1986 Electronic Communications Act into law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Privacy_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priv... Any communication, email, sms, etc. on a 3rd party like Gmail that is 180 days old is cleverly considered "abandoned" under that law and can be read without any judicial oversight, no warrant needed. Major services even have portals for law enforcement to just browse away Congress purposely never updates the law, it's 40 years out of date despite people having years of email, SMS, DMs in their accounts as typical behavior
- tensor 5mo agoWow, that's crazy! Thanks for the link. Seems high time to get off US based e-mail services.
- filoeleven 5mo ago> AND read all your emails and text messages that are over 6 months old, without a warrant Source for this? Was it big news? First I've heard of it.
- ck2 5mo agoThis is well known, just no-one talks about it anymore like NSA, DHS violations, etc. Why do you think she had a personally owned email server in her basement instead of using a 3rd party? Bill Clinton signed 1986 Electronic Communications Act into law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Privacy_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Priv... Any communication, email, sms, etc. on a 3rd party like Gmail that is 180 days old is simply considered "abandoned" under that law and can be read without any judicial oversight, no warrant needed. Major services even have portals for law enforcement to just browse away Congress purposely never updates the law, it's 40 years out of date
- schoen 5mo agoJust one correction: Clinton wasn't president yet in 1986. That was signed by Reagan. Clinton signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act which also had problems but which didn't change this specific legal norm.