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> “Inside Spain, the consequences of indiscriminate IP blocking have become almost impossible to ignore,” NordVPN writes Too fucking right. It is beyond tireso

> “Inside Spain, the consequences of indiscriminate IP blocking have become almost impossible to ignore,” NordVPN writes Too fucking right. It is beyond tiresome to fire up the laptop and wonder whether I'll need a VPN to access GitHub today

embedding-shape 5mo ago
When the blocks happen, does it take GitHub with it for you? I'm on Vodafone (in Spain) and it's just a few Cloudflare IPs that get blocked during the matches, never had GitHub unavailable, as Microsoft doesn't use Cloudflare for GitHub, AFAIK.
- swiftcoder 5mo ago
  Cloudflare seems to be the most common victim, but I've seen Fastly get banned out as well (which seems to be what GitHub uses as their CDN in the EU)
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    AFAIK, it's literally exclusively Cloudflare for me, never seen anything else (IP) banned, just the good old DNS-based blocking for some other crap, but maybe it's because of my ISP. What ISP are you on? They all seem to be responding and doing this differently.
    - swiftcoder 5mo ago
      Movistar, masmovil, and orange. From what I can tell they all tend to implement slightly different overlapping blocks. I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if the blocking actually worked - my neighbour happily watches pirate futbol streams over the internal while my dev tools get blocked
      - embedding-shape 5mo ago
        Huh, where is the court order about the Fastly stuff? Also funny that the only major one you seem to be missing is Vodafone, which is the ISP I have, and Fastly never been blocked here, although Vodafone is more than eager to add things to their block-list. > while my dev tools get blocked What dev tools are you talking about here, that depends on remote Cloudflare IPs? Maybe I got used to the overall crap internet service here in Spain, but I couldn't imagine basing anything I need for my day-to-day job on something remote/on the internet that I couldn't use just because I wasn't online.
        swiftcoder 5mo ago
        > What dev tools are you talking about here, that depends on remote Cloudflare IPs? It's never just been Cloudflare. There's even a blogpost from Vercel[1] about it when they had their exit nodes banned during the biggest outage last year: > This issue isn’t isolated to Vercel. Cloudflare, GitHub Pages, and BunnyCDN are also affected. [1] https://vercel.com/blog/update-on-spain-and-laliga-blocks-of-the-internet https://vercel.com/blog/update-on-spain-and-laliga-blocks-of...
        embedding-shape 5mo ago
        Again, what dev tool are you using that get blocked because of these blocks? Is it Vercel you're unable to use during the blocks? Because my local Vercal installations keeps working just as well with no internet as with internet, so I'm guessing some Cloudflare IPs going offline won't have any effect either. You again reference blog posts from more than a year ago, the situation here in Spain isn't the same today as it was back then, it isn't blocking as much as it used to, and surely if you're personally impacted by these blocks, like I am, then you'd notice the difference today compared to before?
        iamnothere 4mo ago
        “But how does it affect you PERSONALLY?”
    - pigggg 4mo ago
      Can confirm they've null routed various cloud providers IPs - with no notification and when folks reached out to the telecoms it took them 2 weeks of impact before they responded (even when provided with sufficient data of specific IPs getting dropped in their network).
      - embedding-shape 4mo ago
        Yes, IT infrastructure been a mess for a long time in Spain, even some regions TLDs been raided over bullshit and more before, no question about it. Never noticed any other cloud provider than Cloudflare being affected by these "La Liga" blocks though, all the others seems to open collaborate with La Liga directly, instead of having a judge enact ISPs to act against the CDNs, but maybe I missed some announcement?
isodev 5mo ago
I hope there is a secondary effect to all this - that websites, operators and web apps look for alternatives instead of always using Cloudflare (who themselves are a kind of LaLiga just in a different vertical).
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  The blocks been going on for around/almost two years now, the ones who cared about remaining online for their users during the La Liga matches they do the blocks (not all of them anymore it seems) already moved, the only ones left on Cloudflare seems to be some people that refuse to move away regardless of how their users are impacted by it. I think it's the same group of people who experience AWS downtime while having all their infrastructure there then go "Well, we're tried nothing and we're all out of ideas, guess we'll blame upstream".
  - happymellon 4mo ago
    > I think it's the same group of people who experience AWS downtime while having all their infrastructure there Weird flex.
anonzzzies 4mo ago
I do not say it is not true because too many cases pop up here, however, I live in Spain and so does my company and we had this 0 times. Provider dependent? We have domestic fiber in Malaga.
- wolvoleo 4mo ago
  Possibly. I'm on Orange fiber and I haven't noticed anything weird either. However all my torrent traffic already goes through VPN and I don't watch football or any kind of live Spanish TV, I have zero interest in any sport.
troad 4mo ago
I just permanently live on a US VPN these days. [0] Not Spanish, but my own country has started overregulating the web, and it seems prudent to develop a long track record of appearing as a US based user to the various online fiefdoms, rather than needing to do it all at once once they pass some digital ID mandate or other nonsense. Not that there's any complete guarantee that the US web will forever remain open and free (no such guarantee is possible), but it's significantly more likely there than here. The state of the open web worldwide is pretty depressing. :( [0] Mullvad, not the bad ones. Though with mandatory ISP-level retention of browser history here, pretty much anything is an improvement for privacy.
- rollulus 4mo ago
  Mullvad is Swedish, right?
  - troad 4mo ago
    I believe so! Though with a healthy set of global endpoints to route through, naturally.
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  > Though with mandatory ISP-level retention of browser history here Huh, how would that even work? At most they get the host, at least unless you're still mostly using http sites, only the Host header should be visible to your ISP.
  - troad 4mo ago
    Yes, I mean hosts, not literal browser history. I should've been clearer.

embedding-shape 5mo ago

When the blocks happen, does it take GitHub with it for you? I'm on Vodafone (in Spain) and it's just a few Cloudflare IPs that get blocked during the matches, never had GitHub unavailable, as Microsoft doesn't use Cloudflare for GitHub, AFAIK.

swiftcoder 5mo ago
Cloudflare seems to be the most common victim, but I've seen Fastly get banned out as well (which seems to be what GitHub uses as their CDN in the EU)
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  AFAIK, it's literally exclusively Cloudflare for me, never seen anything else (IP) banned, just the good old DNS-based blocking for some other crap, but maybe it's because of my ISP. What ISP are you on? They all seem to be responding and doing this differently.
  - swiftcoder 5mo ago
    Movistar, masmovil, and orange. From what I can tell they all tend to implement slightly different overlapping blocks. I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed if the blocking actually worked - my neighbour happily watches pirate futbol streams over the internal while my dev tools get blocked
    - embedding-shape 5mo ago
      Huh, where is the court order about the Fastly stuff? Also funny that the only major one you seem to be missing is Vodafone, which is the ISP I have, and Fastly never been blocked here, although Vodafone is more than eager to add things to their block-list. > while my dev tools get blocked What dev tools are you talking about here, that depends on remote Cloudflare IPs? Maybe I got used to the overall crap internet service here in Spain, but I couldn't imagine basing anything I need for my day-to-day job on something remote/on the internet that I couldn't use just because I wasn't online.
      - swiftcoder 5mo ago
        > What dev tools are you talking about here, that depends on remote Cloudflare IPs? It's never just been Cloudflare. There's even a blogpost from Vercel[1] about it when they had their exit nodes banned during the biggest outage last year: > This issue isn’t isolated to Vercel. Cloudflare, GitHub Pages, and BunnyCDN are also affected. [1] https://vercel.com/blog/update-on-spain-and-laliga-blocks-of-the-internet https://vercel.com/blog/update-on-spain-and-laliga-blocks-of...
        embedding-shape 5mo ago
        Again, what dev tool are you using that get blocked because of these blocks? Is it Vercel you're unable to use during the blocks? Because my local Vercal installations keeps working just as well with no internet as with internet, so I'm guessing some Cloudflare IPs going offline won't have any effect either. You again reference blog posts from more than a year ago, the situation here in Spain isn't the same today as it was back then, it isn't blocking as much as it used to, and surely if you're personally impacted by these blocks, like I am, then you'd notice the difference today compared to before?
        iamnothere 4mo ago
        “But how does it affect you PERSONALLY?”
  - pigggg 4mo ago
    Can confirm they've null routed various cloud providers IPs - with no notification and when folks reached out to the telecoms it took them 2 weeks of impact before they responded (even when provided with sufficient data of specific IPs getting dropped in their network).
    - embedding-shape 4mo ago
      Yes, IT infrastructure been a mess for a long time in Spain, even some regions TLDs been raided over bullshit and more before, no question about it. Never noticed any other cloud provider than Cloudflare being affected by these "La Liga" blocks though, all the others seems to open collaborate with La Liga directly, instead of having a judge enact ISPs to act against the CDNs, but maybe I missed some announcement?

isodev 5mo ago

I hope there is a secondary effect to all this - that websites, operators and web apps look for alternatives instead of always using Cloudflare (who themselves are a kind of LaLiga just in a different vertical).

embedding-shape 5mo ago
The blocks been going on for around/almost two years now, the ones who cared about remaining online for their users during the La Liga matches they do the blocks (not all of them anymore it seems) already moved, the only ones left on Cloudflare seems to be some people that refuse to move away regardless of how their users are impacted by it. I think it's the same group of people who experience AWS downtime while having all their infrastructure there then go "Well, we're tried nothing and we're all out of ideas, guess we'll blame upstream".
- happymellon 4mo ago
  > I think it's the same group of people who experience AWS downtime while having all their infrastructure there Weird flex.

anonzzzies 4mo ago

I do not say it is not true because too many cases pop up here, however, I live in Spain and so does my company and we had this 0 times. Provider dependent? We have domestic fiber in Malaga.

wolvoleo 4mo ago
Possibly. I'm on Orange fiber and I haven't noticed anything weird either. However all my torrent traffic already goes through VPN and I don't watch football or any kind of live Spanish TV, I have zero interest in any sport.

troad 4mo ago

I just permanently live on a US VPN these days. [0] Not Spanish, but my own country has started overregulating the web, and it seems prudent to develop a long track record of appearing as a US based user to the various online fiefdoms, rather than needing to do it all at once once they pass some digital ID mandate or other nonsense. Not that there's any complete guarantee that the US web will forever remain open and free (no such guarantee is possible), but it's significantly more likely there than here. The state of the open web worldwide is pretty depressing. :( [0] Mullvad, not the bad ones. Though with mandatory ISP-level retention of browser history here, pretty much anything is an improvement for privacy.

rollulus 4mo ago
Mullvad is Swedish, right?
- troad 4mo ago
  I believe so! Though with a healthy set of global endpoints to route through, naturally.
embedding-shape 4mo ago
> Though with mandatory ISP-level retention of browser history here Huh, how would that even work? At most they get the host, at least unless you're still mostly using http sites, only the Host header should be visible to your ISP.
- troad 4mo ago
  Yes, I mean hosts, not literal browser history. I should've been clearer.