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Alberta was created out of several divisions of the NWT barely over 100 years ago, formed by the federal government of Canada. It's not a thing. Hatred or cri

Alberta was created out of several divisions of the NWT barely over 100 years ago, formed by the federal government of Canada. It's not a thing. Hatred or criticism of Toronto and Ontario at large is a thing. But that's a thing everywhere. It's a fundamental part of the Canadian identity.

briga 4mo ago
If you don't think it's a thing then you're either not from here, or haven't been paying attention. The average Canadian's opinion of Alberta is also very telling, with most of the rest of the country seeming to despise the province, or think it's some sort of regressive backwater.
- cwillu 4mo ago
  Meanwhile our Prime Minister was raised in Edmonton... No, it's not a thing.
  - briga 4mo ago
    That doesn't make any sense, that's like saying because Trump was raised in New York and he's now president, that New York identity isn't a thing. I think the dismissive attitude here is proving my point.
    - cwillu 4mo ago
      No, it's not proving anything of the sort. You're trying to claim that the average canadian despises alberta, and that's simply not a thing. It is in fact invented whole-cloth.
      - briga 4mo ago
        According to this poll (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/poll-canadians-living-in-alberta-climate-change-1.6272645 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/poll-canadians-living...), nearly half of Canadians think that: 1) Alberta is not a welcoming place 2) Albertans don't care about other Canadians 3) Alberta is not a place they would feel comfortable living And noticeably, the opinions of the Albertans are generally different from the rest of the country! How curious for a place without an identity of its own, as you claim.
        cwillu 4mo ago
        You said “despises”. Your evidence falls wide of the net.
        briga 4mo ago
        And you have no evidence at all
        cwillu 4mo ago
        You're the one making a claim. I've never experienced this myself despite living here for years, working in oil/resource/agriculture-adjacent sectors most of my life, and spending a few years in Ontario. It is, in my experience, purely CPC/UCP propaganda. I certainly wouldn't have spent january pushing edmontonians out of their parking lots if I despised them lol
  - Fogest 4mo ago
    You're being incredibly silly with your arguments. If you talk to anyone in the country outside of Alberta you're very likely to hear a negative tone when talking about them, especially if they are liberal. Our governments have very much fostered a hostile relationship with Alberta and has done very little to address their concerns. Anybody surprised by Alberta wanting out has had their head in the sand. I don't think them leaving the country is the right solution, but this is what happens when people feel ignored for a long time, they go with the nuclear option of leaving. It's very clear that a lot of people in Alberta feel mistreated, and the governments should be working to hear their concerns and make changes. But sadly they seem to do the opposite and ignore them and continue to make negative remarks about them which furthers the problem. In fact their behaviour is similar to the dismissive behaviour you have been showing in these replies to the other user.
    - cwillu 4mo ago
      Bullshit. This is purely CPC and UPC propaganda that doesn't survive contact with reality.
- 52-6F-62 4mo ago
  Since you decided to take things in a personal direction, yes. I have lived and worked in Alberta. I have had family in Alberta. I have friends in Alberta. My partner is from the west, and we visit regularly. That's some bad karma, pretending you can read someone like that and attempting to beat them down with your ignorance and then claim to be a victim.
  - briga 4mo ago
    Now now, when was I claiming to be a victim? Let's not be dramatic now. Also, which Alberta? Edmonton? Cardston? Fort McMurray? Lloydminster? Grande Prairie? Canmore? I guarantee you will find varying levels of Albertan identity and many different perspectives in each. Albertan identity is not a mirage.
    - 52-6F-62 4mo ago
      Claiming the rest of the country is against you is playing the victim. And which Alberta? That sounds like "What kind of Albertan were you". Which is starting to sound like real foul stuff.
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cf100clunk 4mo ago
A huge amount of academic research into ''western alienation'' has been, and continues to be, researched at Canadian universities. The concept is bedrock to studies of Canadian history and political science.
- 52-6F-62 4mo ago
  I understand this. I lived there, I heard the "Onterrible" jokes and wore them with grace. The concept of an independent Alberta as an identity is a fringe matter, not equivalent with generalized notions of alienation and grievances related to equivalence within confederation on a policy level.
8note 4mo ago
Toronto is much much younger than alberta, formed by the government of ontario if age is a disqualifying factor, hating on toronto cant be a fundamental part of the canadian identity
- 52-6F-62 4mo ago
  If you are Canadian, you should be familiar with the running nation-wide joke that "everyone hates Toronto".
soupbowl 4mo ago
It is certainly a 'thing'. Saying it is not just shows your ignorance.
- 52-6F-62 4mo ago
  I am aware of recent political movements, yes. Like the Western Independence Party. However, they failed to even get enough signatures to properly form. Their platform is to "basically remove Alberta from confederation" (the party founder's words). But note: there was no Alberta before confederation. Alberta business owners having a beef with Ottawa leadership is not the same as a common and foundational identity across Alberta that desires independence. That latter notion is in the extreme minority. Fringe stuff. For instance, the support between the WIP (and aligned groups) is similar to the support for the province's Communist parties.

briga 4mo ago

If you don't think it's a thing then you're either not from here, or haven't been paying attention. The average Canadian's opinion of Alberta is also very telling, with most of the rest of the country seeming to despise the province, or think it's some sort of regressive backwater.

cwillu 4mo ago
Meanwhile our Prime Minister was raised in Edmonton... No, it's not a thing.
- briga 4mo ago
  That doesn't make any sense, that's like saying because Trump was raised in New York and he's now president, that New York identity isn't a thing. I think the dismissive attitude here is proving my point.
  - cwillu 4mo ago
    No, it's not proving anything of the sort. You're trying to claim that the average canadian despises alberta, and that's simply not a thing. It is in fact invented whole-cloth.
    - briga 4mo ago
      According to this poll (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/poll-canadians-living-in-alberta-climate-change-1.6272645 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/poll-canadians-living...), nearly half of Canadians think that: 1) Alberta is not a welcoming place 2) Albertans don't care about other Canadians 3) Alberta is not a place they would feel comfortable living And noticeably, the opinions of the Albertans are generally different from the rest of the country! How curious for a place without an identity of its own, as you claim.
      - cwillu 4mo ago
        You said “despises”. Your evidence falls wide of the net.
        briga 4mo ago
        And you have no evidence at all
        cwillu 4mo ago
        You're the one making a claim. I've never experienced this myself despite living here for years, working in oil/resource/agriculture-adjacent sectors most of my life, and spending a few years in Ontario. It is, in my experience, purely CPC/UCP propaganda. I certainly wouldn't have spent january pushing edmontonians out of their parking lots if I despised them lol
- Fogest 4mo ago
  You're being incredibly silly with your arguments. If you talk to anyone in the country outside of Alberta you're very likely to hear a negative tone when talking about them, especially if they are liberal. Our governments have very much fostered a hostile relationship with Alberta and has done very little to address their concerns. Anybody surprised by Alberta wanting out has had their head in the sand. I don't think them leaving the country is the right solution, but this is what happens when people feel ignored for a long time, they go with the nuclear option of leaving. It's very clear that a lot of people in Alberta feel mistreated, and the governments should be working to hear their concerns and make changes. But sadly they seem to do the opposite and ignore them and continue to make negative remarks about them which furthers the problem. In fact their behaviour is similar to the dismissive behaviour you have been showing in these replies to the other user.
  - cwillu 4mo ago
    Bullshit. This is purely CPC and UPC propaganda that doesn't survive contact with reality.
52-6F-62 4mo ago
Since you decided to take things in a personal direction, yes. I have lived and worked in Alberta. I have had family in Alberta. I have friends in Alberta. My partner is from the west, and we visit regularly. That's some bad karma, pretending you can read someone like that and attempting to beat them down with your ignorance and then claim to be a victim.
- briga 4mo ago
  Now now, when was I claiming to be a victim? Let's not be dramatic now. Also, which Alberta? Edmonton? Cardston? Fort McMurray? Lloydminster? Grande Prairie? Canmore? I guarantee you will find varying levels of Albertan identity and many different perspectives in each. Albertan identity is not a mirage.
  - 52-6F-62 4mo ago
    Claiming the rest of the country is against you is playing the victim. And which Alberta? That sounds like "What kind of Albertan were you". Which is starting to sound like real foul stuff.

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cf100clunk 4mo ago

A huge amount of academic research into ''western alienation'' has been, and continues to be, researched at Canadian universities. The concept is bedrock to studies of Canadian history and political science.

52-6F-62 4mo ago
I understand this. I lived there, I heard the "Onterrible" jokes and wore them with grace. The concept of an independent Alberta as an identity is a fringe matter, not equivalent with generalized notions of alienation and grievances related to equivalence within confederation on a policy level.

8note 4mo ago

Toronto is much much younger than alberta, formed by the government of ontario if age is a disqualifying factor, hating on toronto cant be a fundamental part of the canadian identity

52-6F-62 4mo ago
If you are Canadian, you should be familiar with the running nation-wide joke that "everyone hates Toronto".

soupbowl 4mo ago

It is certainly a 'thing'. Saying it is not just shows your ignorance.

52-6F-62 4mo ago
I am aware of recent political movements, yes. Like the Western Independence Party. However, they failed to even get enough signatures to properly form. Their platform is to "basically remove Alberta from confederation" (the party founder's words). But note: there was no Alberta before confederation. Alberta business owners having a beef with Ottawa leadership is not the same as a common and foundational identity across Alberta that desires independence. That latter notion is in the extreme minority. Fringe stuff. For instance, the support between the WIP (and aligned groups) is similar to the support for the province's Communist parties.