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> To me > I'd prefer This is exactly my point. To some people, direct communication, especially "no", is extremely rude. To some people, a head bob (easily co

> To me > I'd prefer This is exactly my point. To some people, direct communication, especially "no", is extremely rude. To some people, a head bob (easily confused for a "yes" in other cultures) merely means acknowledgement, or "maybe". To some people, extended silence indicates deep consideration or respect. Globalization resulted in a need to tolerate these differences, and in my experience, trying to "fix" them is considered rude (I suppose that's also a cultural norm!). I just think it's interesting to observe that there is such immediate intolerance of this new behavior. Of course I understand it, and I don't even entirely disagree, I just think it's worth reflecting on, there are probably so many ways of considering it.

linkregister 5mo ago
In my culture, I prefer not to wear clothing in public. I also prefer not to be confined to toilets when transferring personal products. Maybe there are some universal conventions we can accept.
- scared_together 5mo ago
  Nudists exist, and compared to the span of human history toilets are a recent phenomenon.
  - vitally3643 5mo ago
    In several cultures right now, today, toilets still do not exist.
watwut 5mo ago
Common, if you are in indirect culture, you will HINT that you dont know or that the answer is no and the other person will get it. These stories are not about people who are from indirect cultures being frustrating to the direct person. They are about people who paste stuff into claude and unnecessary large wall of text - written in direct style.
- justsomehnguy 5mo ago
  IIRC it would be quite rude to poat the wall of clearly not yours/ clearly generated text in the indirct cultures.
_DeadFred_ 5mo ago
When I started managing international teams (long ago) the first months were painful for us all because I didn't understand some culturally didn't feel they could tell me 'no'. I was used to American devs that would happily flat out tell me 'I'm not doing that' or calling me out when I was being too phb style oblivious. Made me change my initial one on ones with new team leads to focus on 'how should we communicate'. I didn't realize how much I was requiring co-workers under me in the org chart to meet me where I was. Huge eye opener. I realized the same obliviousness on my part made some of my people feel like I was 'good old boys club' because I was more relatable to other white guys into sports (I used American sports analogies up to that point because that was how the management I rose up with talked). I felt awful for making people feeling bad/stressed/in an out group.
- SoftTalker 5mo ago
  If you were acting in good faith, no reason to feel awful. Some people are stressed out in a group or in the spotlight, no matter what. Some people thrive there and love it. And while different regional cultures may tend one way or the other, one will find direct and indirect personality types everywhere.
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jplusequalt 5mo ago
Stop using "culture" as a crutch for being inconsiderate.
- 8note 5mo ago
  i think you missed the point. depending on the receiver, different and even opposing things are inconsiderate.
  - jplusequalt 5mo ago
    I understood the point, and I think it's a flimsy one. Hiding behind "in my culture" is not a sufficient excuse to hide antisocial behavior. There are cultures that believe the number of chromosomes you are born with determines your autonomy in society. I think most people on here would reject that framing, even if they're met with the same excuse.
chowells 5mo ago
What's culture got to do with it? If I wanted LLM responses, I'd have prompted for them myself. This is true in every single culture. The very fact that I asked a person means that I want the information they can provide, not LLM information. There is no culture in which that is false. So there is no culture in which providing LLM content is a useful response. How you politely communicate that you don't have anything to add? That varies by culture. That LLM content is not a useful response? That does not vary by culture.
- _DeadFred_ 5mo ago
  If in my culture I can't tell the boss 'I don't know' 'I can't do it' and I am handed a machine and told it's an answer machine, I can understand this conflict coming up. OP specifically said " I don't even entirely disagree, I just think it's worth reflecting on". OP is saying there might be dynamics that can be resolved with understanding why you are getting AI.

linkregister 5mo ago

In my culture, I prefer not to wear clothing in public. I also prefer not to be confined to toilets when transferring personal products. Maybe there are some universal conventions we can accept.

scared_together 5mo ago
Nudists exist, and compared to the span of human history toilets are a recent phenomenon.
- vitally3643 5mo ago
  In several cultures right now, today, toilets still do not exist.

watwut 5mo ago

Common, if you are in indirect culture, you will HINT that you dont know or that the answer is no and the other person will get it. These stories are not about people who are from indirect cultures being frustrating to the direct person. They are about people who paste stuff into claude and unnecessary large wall of text - written in direct style.

justsomehnguy 5mo ago
IIRC it would be quite rude to poat the wall of clearly not yours/ clearly generated text in the indirct cultures.

_DeadFred_ 5mo ago

When I started managing international teams (long ago) the first months were painful for us all because I didn't understand some culturally didn't feel they could tell me 'no'. I was used to American devs that would happily flat out tell me 'I'm not doing that' or calling me out when I was being too phb style oblivious. Made me change my initial one on ones with new team leads to focus on 'how should we communicate'. I didn't realize how much I was requiring co-workers under me in the org chart to meet me where I was. Huge eye opener. I realized the same obliviousness on my part made some of my people feel like I was 'good old boys club' because I was more relatable to other white guys into sports (I used American sports analogies up to that point because that was how the management I rose up with talked). I felt awful for making people feeling bad/stressed/in an out group.

SoftTalker 5mo ago
If you were acting in good faith, no reason to feel awful. Some people are stressed out in a group or in the spotlight, no matter what. Some people thrive there and love it. And while different regional cultures may tend one way or the other, one will find direct and indirect personality types everywhere.
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jplusequalt 5mo ago

Stop using "culture" as a crutch for being inconsiderate.

8note 5mo ago
i think you missed the point. depending on the receiver, different and even opposing things are inconsiderate.
- jplusequalt 5mo ago
  I understood the point, and I think it's a flimsy one. Hiding behind "in my culture" is not a sufficient excuse to hide antisocial behavior. There are cultures that believe the number of chromosomes you are born with determines your autonomy in society. I think most people on here would reject that framing, even if they're met with the same excuse.

chowells 5mo ago

What's culture got to do with it? If I wanted LLM responses, I'd have prompted for them myself. This is true in every single culture. The very fact that I asked a person means that I want the information they can provide, not LLM information. There is no culture in which that is false. So there is no culture in which providing LLM content is a useful response. How you politely communicate that you don't have anything to add? That varies by culture. That LLM content is not a useful response? That does not vary by culture.

_DeadFred_ 5mo ago
If in my culture I can't tell the boss 'I don't know' 'I can't do it' and I am handed a machine and told it's an answer machine, I can understand this conflict coming up. OP specifically said " I don't even entirely disagree, I just think it's worth reflecting on". OP is saying there might be dynamics that can be resolved with understanding why you are getting AI.