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I've been on the free information train my entire life, back to my little hacker punk days in the 90's, so my opinion on that isn't worth much. I do think that

I've been on the free information train my entire life, back to my little hacker punk days in the 90's, so my opinion on that isn't worth much. I do think that the ecological considerations are also entirely the fault of the aforementioned CEOs. Machine learning research has been ongoing in good faith since the 40's. Blaming the technology is kind of silly. Imagine if we had banned trains because the robber barons were assholes in the 1830's. This technology is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM. The robber barons and monopolists tend to come out of the woodwork when incredible technologies emerge. It just sucks that we still haven't evolved them out of society.

coldtea 5mo ago
>This technology is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM. We could do without them.
- mindcrime 5mo ago
  Tell that to the family of someone who dies a year before one of those discoveries that would have saved their life...
- joquarky 5mo ago
  I guess you don't know anyone who has cancer.
  - coldtea 5mo ago
    I know plenty who have cancer because of STEM "advances". No shortage of STEM conveniences being carcinogenic. But the argument is always the small percentage that get medical treatment. Never the millions who get sick.
- jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
  We could probably do without computers too, but that would be idiotic because they speed everything up. There's a good chance that the next pandemic is swatted down by LLM-powered vaccine development much faster than COVID-19 was. "We could do without them." is not a great take when it comes to people dying prematurely. In fact, I would bet that this particular technology will lead to climate change solutions eventually. If nothing else, it will drive an energy revolution in either nuclear or solar power. Probably too late to solve the AMOC collapse, but mitigation is still in play through science.
  - otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
    > LLM-powered vaccine development Good lord! I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. They're going to be a neverending source of cringe and laughs for the next 50 years. (I've heard one C-level dude say with a straight face that LLMs were a "more significant invention than writing".)
    - esseph 5mo ago
      > Good lord! >I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. --- This has been in use for awhile. https://academic.oup.com/bib/article/26/3/bbaf263/8158336 https://academic.oup.com/bib/article/26/3/bbaf263/8158336 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12970898/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12970898/ How it gets used: https://mlconference.ai/blog/ai-in-vaccine-development/ https://mlconference.ai/blog/ai-in-vaccine-development/
      - otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
        No, you cannot use LLMs to develop vaccines. Anybody who claims otherwise is lying to you. Also, you're confusing "AI" and LLMs.
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    - jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
      You're a Google search away from fact checking me if you want to do that. I'm a DevOps engineer, not a C suite guy, but I tend to agree with you in general. I think there is a lot of smoke being blown into the hive around this technology but having used it extensively, and having witnessed its progression first hand in engineering, these tools are insanely useful and have made giant leaps forward in just ~4 years. Don't know if you're a believer in Moore's Law or not, but I don't think your tune is going to take anywhere near 50 years to change. I'd be surprised if it took 5 years.
- NiloCK 5mo ago
  Maybe you're sitting pretty right now, but try posting this from your deathbed, or that of your kid. The lack of compassion that people display here is shocking to me. "Don't automate science, because there are junior scientists could be denied the thrill of specific discoveries." Cancer patients are not accessories to anyone's self-actualization.
  - coldtea 5mo ago
    Maybe you're sitting pretty right now, but try posting this from your deathbed, or that of your kid, caused by the "advances"
52-6F-62 5mo ago
But you would be banning trains if they were built to just run smack into the centre of town squares loaded with bombs, rendering the cities to dust, as a part of their design and boasted about by the owners. At least until the maniacally evil train ownership debacle was better organized to prevent such harm in their core application.
- jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
  I think that perhaps your perception of the impacts of data centers is a bit over the top.
  - saltcured 5mo ago
    I parsed that wrong (better?) as running smack (heroin) into the center of town And so I thought it was a reference to the overall AI psychosis, FOMO, and dopamine marketing. That is the big impact that bothers me, regardless of whether this deployment uses massive new datacenters. It is a toxic social impact even if it somehow reduced atmospheric CO2 with every token.
- esseph 5mo ago
  There are datacenters all over the place and have been for a very long time. Some of them host physical servers for people and companies, maybe only a literal closet somewhere in a building. Others are giant hyperscaler datacenters that have tons of 24/7 lighting and are the size of multiple football fields. We need to be very careful here, or we're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
  - jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
    That is also my concern. This feels like a Satanic panic type of thing and if people don't form nuanced opinions, politicians will latch on to the issue and before you know it, many people who are heavily reliant on machine learning who don't realize it are going to have a bad time when stuff starts getting banned.
otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
> is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM No it won't. Natural language manipulation is never a bottleneck in STEM.
- esseph 5mo ago
  They seem to be having at least some impact https://www.newscientist.com/article/2527564-mathematicians-stunned-by-ais-biggest-breakthrough-in-mathematics-yet/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2527564-mathematicians-...
- jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
  I do not understand how you can believe that and I'm not really keen on trying to.
- jayGlow 5mo ago
  I'm fairly certain LLMs have been used to solve some novel problems already. https://www.forbes.com/sites/anishasircar/2026/04/17/ai-solved-a-mathematical-problem-that-had-stumped-the-worlds-best-minds-for-decades/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/anishasircar/2026/04/17/ai-solv...
- HappMacDonald 5mo ago
  Aside from everything everyone else has mentioned, AI != LLMs
  - otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
    There is no "AI" that isn't an LLM in 2026.
Forgeties79 5mo ago
> Imagine if we had banned trains because the robber barons were assholes in the 1830's. The thing is they don’t control them anymore, governments do by and large now, so a lot of the issues that came with their ownership and special privileges no longer exist. There is no way that is how this is going to go down with Google et al
- _DeadFred_ 5mo ago
  AI should fall under libraries. It's benefit/value is derived from the knowledge of humankind.
  - Forgeties79 5mo ago
    Unfortunately, their unregulated scraping even takes down public libraries.
- esseph 5mo ago
  > The thing is they don’t control them anymore, governments do by and large now All of the class 1 freight railroads in North America are privately owned. BNSF Canadian National CPKC CSX Norfolk Southern Union Pacific

coldtea 5mo ago

>This technology is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM. We could do without them.

mindcrime 5mo ago
Tell that to the family of someone who dies a year before one of those discoveries that would have saved their life...
joquarky 5mo ago
I guess you don't know anyone who has cancer.
- coldtea 5mo ago
  I know plenty who have cancer because of STEM "advances". No shortage of STEM conveniences being carcinogenic. But the argument is always the small percentage that get medical treatment. Never the millions who get sick.
jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
We could probably do without computers too, but that would be idiotic because they speed everything up. There's a good chance that the next pandemic is swatted down by LLM-powered vaccine development much faster than COVID-19 was. "We could do without them." is not a great take when it comes to people dying prematurely. In fact, I would bet that this particular technology will lead to climate change solutions eventually. If nothing else, it will drive an energy revolution in either nuclear or solar power. Probably too late to solve the AMOC collapse, but mitigation is still in play through science.
- otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
  > LLM-powered vaccine development Good lord! I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. They're going to be a neverending source of cringe and laughs for the next 50 years. (I've heard one C-level dude say with a straight face that LLMs were a "more significant invention than writing".)
  - esseph 5mo ago
    > Good lord! >I hope somebody is documenting all these bombastic LLM-related public statements. --- This has been in use for awhile. https://academic.oup.com/bib/article/26/3/bbaf263/8158336 https://academic.oup.com/bib/article/26/3/bbaf263/8158336 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12970898/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12970898/ How it gets used: https://mlconference.ai/blog/ai-in-vaccine-development/ https://mlconference.ai/blog/ai-in-vaccine-development/
    - otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
      No, you cannot use LLMs to develop vaccines. Anybody who claims otherwise is lying to you. Also, you're confusing "AI" and LLMs.
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      - esseph 5mo ago
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  - jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
    You're a Google search away from fact checking me if you want to do that. I'm a DevOps engineer, not a C suite guy, but I tend to agree with you in general. I think there is a lot of smoke being blown into the hive around this technology but having used it extensively, and having witnessed its progression first hand in engineering, these tools are insanely useful and have made giant leaps forward in just ~4 years. Don't know if you're a believer in Moore's Law or not, but I don't think your tune is going to take anywhere near 50 years to change. I'd be surprised if it took 5 years.
NiloCK 5mo ago
Maybe you're sitting pretty right now, but try posting this from your deathbed, or that of your kid. The lack of compassion that people display here is shocking to me. "Don't automate science, because there are junior scientists could be denied the thrill of specific discoveries." Cancer patients are not accessories to anyone's self-actualization.
- coldtea 5mo ago
  Maybe you're sitting pretty right now, but try posting this from your deathbed, or that of your kid, caused by the "advances"

52-6F-62 5mo ago

But you would be banning trains if they were built to just run smack into the centre of town squares loaded with bombs, rendering the cities to dust, as a part of their design and boasted about by the owners. At least until the maniacally evil train ownership debacle was better organized to prevent such harm in their core application.

jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
I think that perhaps your perception of the impacts of data centers is a bit over the top.
- saltcured 5mo ago
  I parsed that wrong (better?) as running smack (heroin) into the center of town And so I thought it was a reference to the overall AI psychosis, FOMO, and dopamine marketing. That is the big impact that bothers me, regardless of whether this deployment uses massive new datacenters. It is a toxic social impact even if it somehow reduced atmospheric CO2 with every token.
esseph 5mo ago
There are datacenters all over the place and have been for a very long time. Some of them host physical servers for people and companies, maybe only a literal closet somewhere in a building. Others are giant hyperscaler datacenters that have tons of 24/7 lighting and are the size of multiple football fields. We need to be very careful here, or we're going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
- jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
  That is also my concern. This feels like a Satanic panic type of thing and if people don't form nuanced opinions, politicians will latch on to the issue and before you know it, many people who are heavily reliant on machine learning who don't realize it are going to have a bad time when stuff starts getting banned.

otabdeveloper4 5mo ago

> is going to drive some incredible discoveries in all of STEM No it won't. Natural language manipulation is never a bottleneck in STEM.

esseph 5mo ago
They seem to be having at least some impact https://www.newscientist.com/article/2527564-mathematicians-stunned-by-ais-biggest-breakthrough-in-mathematics-yet/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2527564-mathematicians-...
jesse_dot_id 5mo ago
I do not understand how you can believe that and I'm not really keen on trying to.
jayGlow 5mo ago
I'm fairly certain LLMs have been used to solve some novel problems already. https://www.forbes.com/sites/anishasircar/2026/04/17/ai-solved-a-mathematical-problem-that-had-stumped-the-worlds-best-minds-for-decades/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/anishasircar/2026/04/17/ai-solv...
HappMacDonald 5mo ago
Aside from everything everyone else has mentioned, AI != LLMs
- otabdeveloper4 5mo ago
  There is no "AI" that isn't an LLM in 2026.

Forgeties79 5mo ago

> Imagine if we had banned trains because the robber barons were assholes in the 1830's. The thing is they don’t control them anymore, governments do by and large now, so a lot of the issues that came with their ownership and special privileges no longer exist. There is no way that is how this is going to go down with Google et al

_DeadFred_ 5mo ago
AI should fall under libraries. It's benefit/value is derived from the knowledge of humankind.
- Forgeties79 5mo ago
  Unfortunately, their unregulated scraping even takes down public libraries.
esseph 5mo ago
> The thing is they don’t control them anymore, governments do by and large now All of the class 1 freight railroads in North America are privately owned. BNSF Canadian National CPKC CSX Norfolk Southern Union Pacific