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Seriously how is this surprising? We all know AI companies stole troves of data to train their models, why do you think they'll stop? Have they faced consequenc
by pluc 5mo ago
Seriously how is this surprising? We all know AI companies stole troves of data to train their models, why do you think they'll stop? Have they faced consequences for the mass theft of copyrighted data?
You can't steal or profit off of that data, but it's fine for them for whatever reason. I guess because they're a force for good in the world and are pushing humanity forward eh?
- stackedinserter 5mo ago[flagged]
- badlibrarian 5mo agoI paid tuition. The library bought its books. The theater sold me a ticket. Money changed hands every step, which is the part your analogy skips.
- drstewart 5mo agoWhere did money change hands when you looked at a random image on DeviantArt and got inspired and made a similar image yourself?
- badlibrarian 5mo agoMost artists considered it a one to one exchange. They appreciated attribution and were flattered to inspire people. Some got gigs. Some got laid. The money flowed to DeviantArt, hosting providers, and ad providers. The artists were okay with this. They were the ones paying. Then DeviantArt built a tool to automate the "make a similar image yourself" part and here we are. It removed all the fun parts: the personal contact, the attribution, the inspiration. Artists realized they unwittingly contributed to the death of not only the community, but the art form they love. Lawsuits pending.
- analog8374 5mo agoSeriously. I recall a thousand hours of movies. Those memories sit in my head and I pay no royalties
- pluc 5mo agoPut what you recall on paper, turn it into a screenplay. Let me know how quickly you get sued.
- IcyWindows 5mo agoOne could argue most screenplays are derivative.
- badlibrarian 5mo agoHollywood has extraordinarily well-defined controls for keeping things legal and everyone in the chain compensated. Plus a separate Oscars category for it.
- analog8374 5mo agoI heard somewhere there's like eight basic plots or something. and everything else is just an elaboration on that
- jimmaswell 5mo agoGood artists copy, great artists steal.
- badlibrarian 5mo agoTrillion dollar companies license.
- badlibrarian 5mo agoTrue, they live in your head rent free. But if you produce a derivative work, you have to pay.
- stronglikedan 5mo ago> it's fine for them for whatever reason the reason is crony capitalism. I wish I knew what the fix was
- CivBase 5mo ago> You can't steal or profit off of that data, but it's fine for them for whatever reason. The reason is quite simple. When Microsoft steals YOUR work, GDP go up. When YOU steal Microsoft's work, GDP go down. And the people who create and enforce our laws want GDP to go up. To these people morality and rights are a thin guise that can be conveniently discarded when it's invonvenient for them.
- skrebbel 5mo agoEverytime something gets posted on HN about a bad or unfair state of affairs, some cynical nihilist posts “doh why r u surprised” and I’m sick and tired of it. These comments aren’t insightful, helpful or thought-provoking. You’re just helping a bad situation stay bad.
- mikestew 5mo agoMy only imagined motivation for such posts is, “Look at me, I’m not surprised by this due to my superior intellect, why are you surprised?” “No one is surprised, jackass, it’s just adults having a conversation about the current state of affairs.” Yes, it’s tiring and rarely contributes positively to the conversation.
- breck 5mo ago[dead]
- exploderate 5mo agoThat data is not stolen. It's still there.
- nmeagent 5mo agoAre the livelihoods of the original creators still there?
- GeoAtreides 5mo agothe income from the data, on the other hand...
- DamnInteresting 5mo agoI've had my writings directly plagiarized by other people--people who made word-for-word copies of my work, replaced my name with their own, and made a tidy profit on it. They profit more than I ever managed, because they have more resources. In the aftermath, my writings are still "there", not "stolen" in the physical world sense, but my ability to make a living is damaged, and the plagiarism is deeply unethical. LLMs and "AI" are just one small step removed from straight-up plagiarism. They are massive moral injury[1] machines. [1] https://moralinjuryproject.syr.edu/about-moral-injury/ https://moralinjuryproject.syr.edu/about-moral-injury/
- sixothree 5mo ago> why do you think they'll stop Because the sources are now polluted with AI. That's at least one reason they stop scraping.