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This is an adversarial process. Unions exist to fight employers. Unions spend about 23 billion a year in total. Only spending 1.5B to defend against 23B looks l
by briandw 5mo ago
This is an adversarial process. Unions exist to fight employers. Unions spend about 23 billion a year in total. Only spending 1.5B to defend against 23B looks like a bargain.
- disantlor 5mo agoyeah but how much are employers spending to lobby, etc, and is that not a significant force-multiplier on their 1.5B direct spend against unions?
- fmbb 5mo agoThey have the lawmakers on their side.
- baron816 5mo agoWho does? The unions definitely have lawmakers on their side.
- maerF0x0 5mo agoAFAIK The USA is one of the most anti-union non-authoritarian countries for a very long time. In other countries people receive a lot more support and protections for the right to organize
- baron816 5mo agoUnions often exert more power at the state and local level. In certain states, they can consistently wield a lot of power. Unions in the US tend to be much more aggressive than they are in other places, which has in part led to their decline. Americans historically have tended to hate unions at the times when they’re powerful, and love them at times when they’re weak. In other words, people like the idea of unions in theory, but hate them in practice.
- maerF0x0 5mo agoHating something in practice doesn't always mean it's bad for you. See veggies and exercise as an example.
- HDThoreaun 5mo agoUrban unions in the US often control local and state politics.
- nielsbot 5mo agowhat’s your evidence for that? It that’s true, why is union membership declining? why did Trump et al gut the NLRB? why do starbucks unionized employees STILL not have a contract years after forming a union? Unions are good and we need more of them.
- thrance 5mo agoWho do you think has more power in the US today, oligarchs and corporations or workers and their unions?
- amavect 5mo agoA way to exit the adversarial process is by ending the separation between owners and workers, through things like worker cooperatives, employee ownership, and workplace democracy.
- mplanchard 5mo agoIt’s clearly a more effectively spent 1.5B too, seeing the majority of comments on this post.
- sometimelurker 5mo ago> 23 billion source pls
- briandw 5mo agohttps://candid.org/blogs/key-facts-figures-and-trends-among-u-s-labor-unions/ https://candid.org/blogs/key-facts-figures-and-trends-among-...