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Let me let you in on a little industry "secret" You can't trust those results no matter what The pages that they pull in to source that data all contain affil
by weird-eye-issue 5mo ago
Let me let you in on a little industry "secret"
You can't trust those results no matter what
The pages that they pull in to source that data all contain affiliate links and companies contact websites to get their tools to the tops of those lists by paying money often monthly. I know this because I do this...
It's basically standard SEO but it also manipulates AI like ChatGPT very very easily
- nunez 5mo agoThe cheat code for that used to be Reddit before they got growth-hacked 10+ years ago.
- weird-eye-issue 5mo agoActually Reddit is receiving more organic traffic than ever before and is more valuable to game than ever But yes actually I was doing this about 15 years ago in the men's fashion subreddit for one of my companies lol
- kalaksi 5mo agoCan you elaborate a bit on how that looks like in practice?
- weird-eye-issue 5mo agoYou just use aged accounts to engage and make it look like they're promoting a certain business through either new posts or comments or combination. And you can use tools or just Google to see which Reddit threads are already ranking for a certain keywords and then you would go to those pages and leave comments recommending your business etc
- nunez 5mo agohere's a more well-publicized and AI-ified example of how that's done: https://www.404media.co/ai-is-poisoning-reddit-to-promote-products-and-game-google-with-parasite-seo/ https://www.404media.co/ai-is-poisoning-reddit-to-promote-pr...
- reactordev 5mo agoThis is why local AI is so important
- weird-eye-issue 5mo agoLocal AI models pull in search results just like ChatGPT does ... And they are trained on web data just like any other model...
- FergusArgyll 5mo agoHow does that help if it's using search? You get whatever the search engine outputs
- rplnt 5mo agoThat doesn't solve this particular problem. Your local model was trained on reddit comments written by bots.
- bayindirh 5mo agoIt's already being trained on "public" (ethical or otherwise) data. So, it already has ingested that kind of "optimization" during pre-training and training. I don't think you can fine-tune your way out of it.
- fsflover 5mo agoThis is far from widespread at the moment, so it'll be possible to at least use the current cutting-edge models locally in the future.
- faangguyindia 5mo agoSimplest way to do is by running affiliate program for your SaaS and shady marketers will do everything to get sales if it's profitable.
- weird-eye-issue 5mo agoEh not really They won't get you on any worthwhile list unless it's their own because it's too risky for them and any site they would publish it on would want to use their own affiliate link. Unless of course we are talking about something like Medium or YouTube which does work And then of course there's the fraudsters who will bid on branded keywords we have banned dozens of people for that
- SlinkyOnStairs 5mo ago> It's basically standard SEO but it also manipulates AI like ChatGPT very very easily There are key differences. 1) Google doesn't get paid for the SEO, so even is crime is involved, Google isn't directly responsible. 2) AI ads are unmarked, which is illegal pretty much everywhere. And because of the way LLMs work, it is impossible to tell where a given output came from, neither which part of the prompt/context nor whether it's from the prompt or training.
- jmathai 5mo ago> 1) Google doesn't get paid for the SEO, so even is crime is involved, Google isn't directly responsible. Google doesn't get paid directly for the SEO but they definitely benefit monetarily. Do a recipe search and ask yourself if these are the results the user would like to see. Google benefits by not penalizing sites which litter themselves with ads. It's not that indirect.
- weird-eye-issue 5mo agoI'm just talking about the methods that business owners can use for getting good SEO or AI recommendations are basically the same thing, not sure what point you are trying to make?
- threetonesun 5mo agoWhy would AI ads be unmarked? Most of the Google AI search results I get show sources. They're just summarizing top results for you, injecting a ad shown as an ad into that isn't tremendously different than how Google worked before.