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Have you seen countries without a government? The US government is definitely fit for purpose. It successfully keeps order, for one thing. The government in a r

by prewett 5mo ago

Have you seen countries without a government? The US government is definitely fit for purpose. It successfully keeps order, for one thing. The government in a representative government isn't the problem, the people are the problem. In this case we have an intransigent Left and an incompetent Right wanting not-Left. Both sides want to "win", and in that situation, everybody loses. I think the ancient Greeks called this "stasis", and if the polis couldn't get out of stasis, the state failed. I believe the failure modes were either getting conquered or getting a tyrant. But we could choose to work together.

watwut 5mo ago
The issue is entirely om the right side here. This is simply not both side issu. America has far right party and center party. It keeps to blame left whenever its far right push for own goals. The anti democratic and heavily corrup republicam goverment is product of right wing bubble. It has little to do with left.
- imtringued 5mo ago
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  - notarobot123 5mo ago
    We're off-topic but it's genuinely interesting that you see these as "leftist" beliefs about men. Isn't this mostly the set of views on masculinity in the "manosphere" which is very much aligned with "rightist" beliefs? I agree there is an apparent tone of misandry in some of the rhetoric of the left but the actual beliefs you cite are (with the exception of a few) things men on the right say about other men.
  - ahartmetz 5mo ago
    This is "identity politics leftism", which is an incredibly useful (to political donors) distraction from economic leftism. Economic leftism is not what the donors want, hence the center party with added idpol bullshit distraction and the right wing party.
  - watwut 5mo ago
    Almost all of your points are right wing manosphere points. Most, but not all are moderate conservative opinions - you literally find those points in books written by mainstream non extremist conservatives. You are literally blaming the left for opinions and positions conservatives actively propagate and push for. Frankly, issue here is that you have no idea about what left says or do, but you do project everything you dislike on the left. You know who run on identity politics? It was the republicans. > A lot of men aren't really right-wing, rather, they're in left-wing exile. A lot of men are left. And a lot of men are explicitly openly right wing. Somehow, there is no talking point about men exiting conservativism because of active push for the above look at masculinity. The opposition toward the above view is supposed to manifest exclusively by moving toward people who super actively promote it.
    - ahartmetz 5mo ago
      New/idpol Left: Men need to perform and they are bad people Right: Men need to perform and they are good people Gee, why are men voting right? Can you figure it out? I mean this as an encouragement to fix leftism, not to vote for the other guys.
      - hgoel 5mo ago
        Where does this idea that the right is saying that men are good come from? They hate most men for not being white, and they consider white men that don't follow their chauvanistic methods as being weak cuckolds.
        ahartmetz 5mo ago
        They hate some men, but not just for being men. You are just muddying the waters.
    - tommit 5mo ago
      Yeah, I don't agree with a single point. I know we're all in our bubbles, but none of what OP listed seems left-wing to me. I know I've never thought these things to be true. If anything, the left-wing promotes men to be vulnerable and seek help if they need it. At least where I'm from that's the case. I'm stumped how different our views are on this.
- AngryData 5mo ago
  I mean the US republican party is the biggest problem, but the democratic party is far from blameless and are happy to go along with many of the republicans worst policies, so long as they are able to try and shift blame back when people complain. They try a little more maybe, but are still completely insulated from and out of touch with average citizens. But they don't care because they have money and most US problems are only problems for people without money to spare.
- AuthAuth 5mo ago
  I dont know why people keep repeating this. The US Democrats pursue left wing policy. Not left wing policy in America, left wing policy period. The US is behind other countries so the fights are taking place on battles that have already been won in other places but that doesnt make them a center party. We could use that logic to undermine any left wing government in the world.
- throwawaypath 5mo ago
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- throwawaypath 5mo ago
  >America has far right party and center party. It keeps to blame left whenever its far right push for own goals. The American left is not center. Open borders, DEI/wokeism, etc. is not a center party platform. Do you have any study that states otherwise?
GolfPopper 5mo ago
The United States have governments. Fifty of them, plus various territorial and tribal governments. The States have already successfully done away with failing higher government twice before, and can do so again.

by prewett 5mo ago

watwut 5mo ago

The issue is entirely om the right side here. This is simply not both side issu. America has far right party and center party. It keeps to blame left whenever its far right push for own goals. The anti democratic and heavily corrup republicam goverment is product of right wing bubble. It has little to do with left.

imtringued 5mo ago
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- notarobot123 5mo ago
  We're off-topic but it's genuinely interesting that you see these as "leftist" beliefs about men. Isn't this mostly the set of views on masculinity in the "manosphere" which is very much aligned with "rightist" beliefs? I agree there is an apparent tone of misandry in some of the rhetoric of the left but the actual beliefs you cite are (with the exception of a few) things men on the right say about other men.
- ahartmetz 5mo ago
  This is "identity politics leftism", which is an incredibly useful (to political donors) distraction from economic leftism. Economic leftism is not what the donors want, hence the center party with added idpol bullshit distraction and the right wing party.
- watwut 5mo ago
  Almost all of your points are right wing manosphere points. Most, but not all are moderate conservative opinions - you literally find those points in books written by mainstream non extremist conservatives. You are literally blaming the left for opinions and positions conservatives actively propagate and push for. Frankly, issue here is that you have no idea about what left says or do, but you do project everything you dislike on the left. You know who run on identity politics? It was the republicans. > A lot of men aren't really right-wing, rather, they're in left-wing exile. A lot of men are left. And a lot of men are explicitly openly right wing. Somehow, there is no talking point about men exiting conservativism because of active push for the above look at masculinity. The opposition toward the above view is supposed to manifest exclusively by moving toward people who super actively promote it.
  - ahartmetz 5mo ago
    New/idpol Left: Men need to perform and they are bad people Right: Men need to perform and they are good people Gee, why are men voting right? Can you figure it out? I mean this as an encouragement to fix leftism, not to vote for the other guys.
    - hgoel 5mo ago
      Where does this idea that the right is saying that men are good come from? They hate most men for not being white, and they consider white men that don't follow their chauvanistic methods as being weak cuckolds.
      - ahartmetz 5mo ago
        They hate some men, but not just for being men. You are just muddying the waters.
  - tommit 5mo ago
    Yeah, I don't agree with a single point. I know we're all in our bubbles, but none of what OP listed seems left-wing to me. I know I've never thought these things to be true. If anything, the left-wing promotes men to be vulnerable and seek help if they need it. At least where I'm from that's the case. I'm stumped how different our views are on this.
AngryData 5mo ago
I mean the US republican party is the biggest problem, but the democratic party is far from blameless and are happy to go along with many of the republicans worst policies, so long as they are able to try and shift blame back when people complain. They try a little more maybe, but are still completely insulated from and out of touch with average citizens. But they don't care because they have money and most US problems are only problems for people without money to spare.
AuthAuth 5mo ago
I dont know why people keep repeating this. The US Democrats pursue left wing policy. Not left wing policy in America, left wing policy period. The US is behind other countries so the fights are taking place on battles that have already been won in other places but that doesnt make them a center party. We could use that logic to undermine any left wing government in the world.
throwawaypath 5mo ago
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throwawaypath 5mo ago
>America has far right party and center party. It keeps to blame left whenever its far right push for own goals. The American left is not center. Open borders, DEI/wokeism, etc. is not a center party platform. Do you have any study that states otherwise?

GolfPopper 5mo ago

The United States have governments. Fifty of them, plus various territorial and tribal governments. The States have already successfully done away with failing higher government twice before, and can do so again.