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Perfectly demonstrating the truth of the "Microsoft org chart" cartoon. https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-

• BowBun 5mo ago
  I've seen this a million times, but aren't the Amazon and Apple ones kinda the same, just differently shaped?
  • danielheath 5mo ago
    One has 1:2 fanout, the other has 1:50 fanout.
  • matkoniecz 5mo ago
    Also, Apple has master micromanager overriding managers.
• dlcarrier 5mo ago
  At first I though the Apple one had a half-dozen departments actually coordinating on something, but then I took a closer look and realized it's just more micromanagement.
  • stingraycharles 5mo ago
    I think the chart is still from the Steve Jobs era, who definitely was known to be a micromanager.
    • bgro 5mo ago
      There’s an interview with someone talking about Steve having an extreme melt down rage about the header not being technically centered in one spot on the Apple page. I want to see his reaction trying to type a message on the iPhone keyboard from anytime in the past 7 years. Or navigate the random nonsensical grouping of stuff in settings that got so out of control they added a search bar or watch a pip video or really use anything. Every feature has some sloppy problem. It used to be excusable as nobody else was trying and they’d be working to fix it. Now they just add a feature that’s sub par to things already out there, no innovation, and then it feels sloppy. Most things just don’t feel good to use down to the size and weight of phones now. Rather than fix the problem Apple just keeps copying the homework and claiming they can’t fix perfect. Steve would be punching holes in the wall. Probably would stomp a hole through the floor to strangle the keyboard team
      • wyclif 5mo ago
        And that's just the iPhone keyboard. The physical keyboards on MacBookPros are still terrible. I've had two of them where some of the keys shorted out or stopped working. Eventually, thinness has diminishing returns. I'd rather have a thicker/heavier keyboard where the keys don't die.
    • cm11 5mo ago
      My thought on this was always that micromanaging in this structure is rational and maybe even the best. It's not really a Jobs thing—though he's (right or wrong) probably the picture most people have in their head when they think of visionary CEO—it's just that if the leader has a vision then it is great if they're capable of having everything run through them. It's when there's no vision at the top and no leaders sitting across the silos pulling things together that it helps the company to have people below with increasing autonomy. Whether the autonomous people should be higher or lower depends on which other org structure you've chosen. Silos are fine when leaders have a vision. That said, I haven't seen many groups that placed power in the place where their chosen org structure is meant to place power.
• 0xpgm 5mo ago
  This is 2011 though, a lot has changed since then. I doubt Facebook/Meta, for instance, is still as flat as it was then having read some ex-employee accounts