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The US continues to repeat this mistake by adding hurdles for immigrant talent while persecuting or being generally racist against Chinese-American scientists [

The US continues to repeat this mistake by adding hurdles for immigrant talent while persecuting or being generally racist against Chinese-American scientists [1]. Despite that, there's still a net influx of foreign talent coming to the US whereas relatively few people move to China. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Chinese_sentiment_in_the_United_States#21st_century_Anti-Chinese_sentiment_and_presidential_campaigns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Chinese_sentiment_in_the_...

saghm 5mo ago
I understood that as the actual thesis of the article; it discusses the highest profile example in detail, but the central claim seems to be that this was essentially the system working "as intended", and that it continued working this way through today.
- danieltanfh95 5mo ago
  Exactly what I was trying to convey.
hitekker 5mo ago
That wikipage over-focuses on modern rightwing racism to the exclusion of modern leftwing racism against the Chinese. It doesn't account for how 2020's White Progressives treated Chinese-Americans as "white-adjacent" second-class constituents. For example, by funding front-groups that claimed authority over US Chinese & Asian concerns, from an almost exclusively partisan angle. https://sfstandard.com/opinion/2026/04/12/grandpa-vicha-aapi-hate-unpunished/ https://sfstandard.com/opinion/2026/04/12/grandpa-vicha-aapi... The marginalization of Chinese-Americans by Progressives is a common frustration for recent Chinese immigrants in the Bay Area. It's a deeper resentment for local Chinese-Americans who eventually drove a recall campaign ousting SF's infamously progressive DA.
- xp84 5mo ago
  Wild that you're being downvoted. Mainstream "progressives" openly champion racial quotas which directly hurt Asian students in college admissions. Asians faced racism and unfairness in the past like many other groups did, but because their kids studied hard anyway and got a 4.5 GPA, suddenly we shouldn't consider their ancestors' poor treatment. Different rules than other minorities, apparently.
- fleroviumna 5mo ago
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- verall 5mo ago
  Crazy even Garry Tan can't write his own opinion blogs anymore
  - verall 5mo ago
    I know I'm not supposed to complain, and you are all free to flag this comment, but i actually cannot believe i got downdooted for calling out Garry Tan's slop racebaiting
xp84 5mo ago
As a rational American, I find it infuriating to see that kind of thing going on, as though it doesn't work out to our benefit to get the most brilliant minds in science, business, and math to not just study here but settle here and contribute to helping our companies compete with Chinese companies. We should be making these people offers that are too attractive to pass up. It shouldn't be on them to do mountains of paperwork to prove themselves any more than it was on LeBron James to apply to work for the Cavs. He was scouted and recruited. Merit-based scholarships should be used to increase the number of exceptional international students, and then the best professors should be in charge of nominating the most exceptional talents to be offered packages on graduation that put them on an easy and automatic track - guaranteed work visas and automatic path to citizenship after a few years of residency. It's a pity that a completely unrelated type of immigration problem at the border has been in any way confused with what our policies should be towards people who are so strategically beneficial to us.
leonidasrup 5mo ago
China uses “non-traditional collectors” https://www.economist.com/china/2024/12/26/how-china-turns-members-of-its-diaspora-into-spies https://www.economist.com/china/2024/12/26/how-china-turns-m... "Despite being one of the most populous countries in the world (1.4 billion), second only to India, China has an exceptionally low percentage of foreign nationals, at only 0.05%, as of 2023" https://directhr.cn/pdf/Direct%20HR%20-%20Hello%20China%20or%20Goodbye%20China,%202024%20-%202025%20Foreigners%20in%20China%20Update.pdf https://directhr.cn/pdf/Direct%20HR%20-%20Hello%20China%20or...
- ekm2 5mo ago
  It is because it is populous that it does not have space for foreigners?
  - leonidasrup 5mo ago
    The population density of China is about the same as United Arab Emirates, Kosovo, Indonesia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen... In absolute numbers India is more populous than China and yet has 10x foreigners.
eunos 5mo ago
> whereas relatively few people move to China The Haigui waves for the last few years are quite huge
- handle584 5mo ago
  Supposedly OP meant foreign nationals instead of overseas Chinese, while Haigui is even a broader term for anyone with a overseas degree. On the other hand, there is large exodus post 2022 due to domestic COVID-19 policies.
  - eunos 5mo ago
    Right but at current situation, if China could pulls more Haigui as time goes it is still a huge win.
OrvalWintermute 5mo ago
I guess we should forget about: • Larry Wu-tai Chin • Peter Lee • Chi Mak • Katrina Leung • Shujun Wang • Fei Ye • Ming Zhong • Walter Lian-Heen Liew • Kun Shan Chun • Jinchao Wei • Eileen Wang All convicted of espionage
- boston_clone 5mo ago
  It’s too early for xenophobic christo-fascist boogeyman narratives, man.

saghm 5mo ago

I understood that as the actual thesis of the article; it discusses the highest profile example in detail, but the central claim seems to be that this was essentially the system working "as intended", and that it continued working this way through today.

danieltanfh95 5mo ago
Exactly what I was trying to convey.

hitekker 5mo ago

That wikipage over-focuses on modern rightwing racism to the exclusion of modern leftwing racism against the Chinese. It doesn't account for how 2020's White Progressives treated Chinese-Americans as "white-adjacent" second-class constituents. For example, by funding front-groups that claimed authority over US Chinese & Asian concerns, from an almost exclusively partisan angle. https://sfstandard.com/opinion/2026/04/12/grandpa-vicha-aapi-hate-unpunished/ https://sfstandard.com/opinion/2026/04/12/grandpa-vicha-aapi... The marginalization of Chinese-Americans by Progressives is a common frustration for recent Chinese immigrants in the Bay Area. It's a deeper resentment for local Chinese-Americans who eventually drove a recall campaign ousting SF's infamously progressive DA.

xp84 5mo ago
Wild that you're being downvoted. Mainstream "progressives" openly champion racial quotas which directly hurt Asian students in college admissions. Asians faced racism and unfairness in the past like many other groups did, but because their kids studied hard anyway and got a 4.5 GPA, suddenly we shouldn't consider their ancestors' poor treatment. Different rules than other minorities, apparently.
fleroviumna 5mo ago
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verall 5mo ago
Crazy even Garry Tan can't write his own opinion blogs anymore
- verall 5mo ago
  I know I'm not supposed to complain, and you are all free to flag this comment, but i actually cannot believe i got downdooted for calling out Garry Tan's slop racebaiting

xp84 5mo ago

As a rational American, I find it infuriating to see that kind of thing going on, as though it doesn't work out to our benefit to get the most brilliant minds in science, business, and math to not just study here but settle here and contribute to helping our companies compete with Chinese companies. We should be making these people offers that are too attractive to pass up. It shouldn't be on them to do mountains of paperwork to prove themselves any more than it was on LeBron James to apply to work for the Cavs. He was scouted and recruited. Merit-based scholarships should be used to increase the number of exceptional international students, and then the best professors should be in charge of nominating the most exceptional talents to be offered packages on graduation that put them on an easy and automatic track - guaranteed work visas and automatic path to citizenship after a few years of residency. It's a pity that a completely unrelated type of immigration problem at the border has been in any way confused with what our policies should be towards people who are so strategically beneficial to us.

leonidasrup 5mo ago

China uses “non-traditional collectors” https://www.economist.com/china/2024/12/26/how-china-turns-members-of-its-diaspora-into-spies https://www.economist.com/china/2024/12/26/how-china-turns-m... "Despite being one of the most populous countries in the world (1.4 billion), second only to India, China has an exceptionally low percentage of foreign nationals, at only 0.05%, as of 2023" https://directhr.cn/pdf/Direct%20HR%20-%20Hello%20China%20or%20Goodbye%20China,%202024%20-%202025%20Foreigners%20in%20China%20Update.pdf https://directhr.cn/pdf/Direct%20HR%20-%20Hello%20China%20or...

ekm2 5mo ago
It is because it is populous that it does not have space for foreigners?
- leonidasrup 5mo ago
  The population density of China is about the same as United Arab Emirates, Kosovo, Indonesia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependen... In absolute numbers India is more populous than China and yet has 10x foreigners.

eunos 5mo ago

> whereas relatively few people move to China The Haigui waves for the last few years are quite huge

handle584 5mo ago
Supposedly OP meant foreign nationals instead of overseas Chinese, while Haigui is even a broader term for anyone with a overseas degree. On the other hand, there is large exodus post 2022 due to domestic COVID-19 policies.
- eunos 5mo ago
  Right but at current situation, if China could pulls more Haigui as time goes it is still a huge win.

OrvalWintermute 5mo ago

I guess we should forget about: • Larry Wu-tai Chin • Peter Lee • Chi Mak • Katrina Leung • Shujun Wang • Fei Ye • Ming Zhong • Walter Lian-Heen Liew • Kun Shan Chun • Jinchao Wei • Eileen Wang All convicted of espionage

boston_clone 5mo ago
It’s too early for xenophobic christo-fascist boogeyman narratives, man.