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For folks that didn't read the article, it seems he was talking about music production.

by tdeck 5mo ago

whizzter 5mo ago
Yeah, people in art production are far far more negative about AI than most sceptical developers. I wouldn't be surprised if a huge percentage of concept artists are out of jobs or changing specialization these days (Creating a throwaway image for a pitch or imaging document can probably be as easily conveyed through a prompt and the people looking at them are probably often not savvy enough to appreciate the difference). Where the music industry goes will be interesting, knowledgeable musicians are way too into fiddling/toying to feel any need for AI tools, but since music is pretty much an industry these days fed by promotion, it isn't far fetched that bedroom "AI" artists can leapfrog established ones.. the question is if it'll stick if they can't reach the pinnacles (megahits is part of it, but concerts still seem to matter quite a bit, and an AI won't help you perform even if Milli Vanilli might disagree).
- WarmWash 5mo ago
  The most jarring thing for me is that artists tend to be the most "communally oriented, socially forward" group of people. I've definitely spent my fair time around them. As soon as tools came about that socialized their skill, opened it to everyone, they immediately and violently opposed it. Which is totally understandable, except when your core ideology you have been pushing for your whole life is to socialize everything. The hypocrisy is so suffocating that it was like a 9.0 earthquake in my moral landscape. And yes, before you come at my throat, free local image generation tools get no hatred exemption.
  - DonsDiscountGas 5mo ago
    Being community oriented is easy when it basically means recruiting new customers (ie listeners). And though some of those become competitors (ie learn to play an instrument) the process is long and slow and arduous and so very few actually follow through. But anybody can buy a Suno subscription in no time at all.
    - WarmWash 5mo ago
      Some say that the only "real" string music comes from a Stradivarius, because the Chinese violins have no master craftsmanship with centuries of legacy behind them. I'd say gatekeeping "real" behind faux barriers is regressive, but a lot of "progressives" seem to disagree...
  - pesus 5mo ago
    Nothing was preventing anyone with internet access or a computer from learning to create art before.
  - archagon 5mo ago
    “Why bother making art when the slopbox can just extrude some art for you?” Gee, I wonder why artists have such negative reactions to this technology. I’m actually baffled by your comment to the point where I have to wonder if you’re posting in good faith.
- JohnFen 5mo ago
  As one who isn't a musician but loves listening to music, the emergence of passable genAI-generated music means that I can't trust new music anymore. The only new music I'm willing to buy is music that I've seen the artists perform live, or is from established artists that I know and trust are keeping it human. I have no idea how rare or common my perspective on this is, but it's not impossible that the music industry may see a decline as a result.
  - HDThoreaun 5mo ago
    I dont get this. Youre so morally opposed to AI music that youre afraid of listening to new stuff in fear of accidentally liking something made with/by AI?
    - spacechild1 5mo ago
      For people who see art as human expression, AI generated music/literature/art is offensive. If they can't trust the artwork to be produced by a human being, they risk being betrayed. Maybe it's a silly analogy, but you wouldn't buy unlabelled eggs in a supermarket if you are against cage farming because you don't want to accidentally support it.
- tolciho 5mo ago
  "jazz is music; swing is business" - Duke Ellington So the music industry could go hard into AI or whatever the business folks deem appropriate, with various consequences, while the musicians will continue to music and who knows maybe the rent will be covered.
analogpixel 5mo ago
that must be a good message: - you all like music enough to go to a four year program and spend lots of money to study it. - you all probably have been creating music since you were a child and really love it. - well.... - people don't actually like music like you, and just want content; non-stop content. - we now have a magic button that can make content by ripping off every previous artist we've trained our models on. - now that everyone has access to this magic button, music has become even more worthless and the only people that'll make money from it are the people running the streaming services like spotify. - if you do happen to create some original content, we'll just suck it into our giant copy machine and use it to out you you. - good luck, have fun, and make sure to pay those student loans back.
- Sohcahtoa82 5mo ago
  > - people don't actually like music like you, and just want content; non-stop content. This is the big thing that artists are going through right now. They're realizing that most consumers of art don't care about the process or the artist. They just want music as background noise, or an aesthetically pleasing picture on their wall. I wanted to listen to heavy metal songs about office life. I'm not going to spend years learning how to play guitar in order to record it, not to mention that I have a voice fit for old school silent movies. I'm certainly not going to spend money on commissioning a song. But 5 minutes in ChatGPT to write and refine some lyrics, followed by 15 minutes in Suno playing with various prompts, and eventually I got "Per My Last Email"[0], and I was happy. Let the musicians rage against my shortcut. I don't care. Let them rage against some notion of "quality" and how AI doesn't provide it. Don't care, it's good enough for me. [0] https://youtu.be/ZVia46yAoMU https://youtu.be/ZVia46yAoMU
  - QuercusMax 5mo ago
    The think your last sentence hits the nail on the head: it's good enough for YOU. You've essentially made a novelty song, and I don't believe you're going to be listening to it for years. The problem is when people spend 20 minutes prompting up a song and then attempt to make a career out of slop, and in the process drown out all the new creative works that aren't just remixed slop.

For folks that didn't read the article, it seems he was talking about music production.

by tdeck 5mo ago

For folks that didn't read the article, it seems he was talking about music production.

Yeah, people in art production are far far more negative about AI than most sceptical developers. I wouldn't be surprised if a huge percentage of concept artists are out of jobs or changing specialization these days (Creating a throwaway image for a pitch or imaging document can probably be as easily conveyed through a prompt and the people looking at them are probably often not savvy enough to appreciate the difference). Where the music industry goes will be interesting, knowledgeable musicians are way too into fiddling/toying to feel any need for AI tools, but since music is pretty much an industry these days fed by promotion, it isn't far fetched that bedroom "AI" artists can leapfrog established ones.. the question is if it'll stick if they can't reach the pinnacles (megahits is part of it, but concerts still seem to matter quite a bit, and an AI won't help you perform even if Milli Vanilli might disagree).

WarmWash 5mo ago
The most jarring thing for me is that artists tend to be the most "communally oriented, socially forward" group of people. I've definitely spent my fair time around them. As soon as tools came about that socialized their skill, opened it to everyone, they immediately and violently opposed it. Which is totally understandable, except when your core ideology you have been pushing for your whole life is to socialize everything. The hypocrisy is so suffocating that it was like a 9.0 earthquake in my moral landscape. And yes, before you come at my throat, free local image generation tools get no hatred exemption.
- DonsDiscountGas 5mo ago
  Being community oriented is easy when it basically means recruiting new customers (ie listeners). And though some of those become competitors (ie learn to play an instrument) the process is long and slow and arduous and so very few actually follow through. But anybody can buy a Suno subscription in no time at all.
  - WarmWash 5mo ago
    Some say that the only "real" string music comes from a Stradivarius, because the Chinese violins have no master craftsmanship with centuries of legacy behind them. I'd say gatekeeping "real" behind faux barriers is regressive, but a lot of "progressives" seem to disagree...
- pesus 5mo ago
  Nothing was preventing anyone with internet access or a computer from learning to create art before.
- archagon 5mo ago
  “Why bother making art when the slopbox can just extrude some art for you?” Gee, I wonder why artists have such negative reactions to this technology. I’m actually baffled by your comment to the point where I have to wonder if you’re posting in good faith.
JohnFen 5mo ago
As one who isn't a musician but loves listening to music, the emergence of passable genAI-generated music means that I can't trust new music anymore. The only new music I'm willing to buy is music that I've seen the artists perform live, or is from established artists that I know and trust are keeping it human. I have no idea how rare or common my perspective on this is, but it's not impossible that the music industry may see a decline as a result.
- HDThoreaun 5mo ago
  I dont get this. Youre so morally opposed to AI music that youre afraid of listening to new stuff in fear of accidentally liking something made with/by AI?
  - spacechild1 5mo ago
    For people who see art as human expression, AI generated music/literature/art is offensive. If they can't trust the artwork to be produced by a human being, they risk being betrayed. Maybe it's a silly analogy, but you wouldn't buy unlabelled eggs in a supermarket if you are against cage farming because you don't want to accidentally support it.
tolciho 5mo ago
"jazz is music; swing is business" - Duke Ellington So the music industry could go hard into AI or whatever the business folks deem appropriate, with various consequences, while the musicians will continue to music and who knows maybe the rent will be covered.

analogpixel 5mo ago

that must be a good message: - you all like music enough to go to a four year program and spend lots of money to study it. - you all probably have been creating music since you were a child and really love it. - well.... - people don't actually like music like you, and just want content; non-stop content. - we now have a magic button that can make content by ripping off every previous artist we've trained our models on. - now that everyone has access to this magic button, music has become even more worthless and the only people that'll make money from it are the people running the streaming services like spotify. - if you do happen to create some original content, we'll just suck it into our giant copy machine and use it to out you you. - good luck, have fun, and make sure to pay those student loans back.

Sohcahtoa82 5mo ago
> - people don't actually like music like you, and just want content; non-stop content. This is the big thing that artists are going through right now. They're realizing that most consumers of art don't care about the process or the artist. They just want music as background noise, or an aesthetically pleasing picture on their wall. I wanted to listen to heavy metal songs about office life. I'm not going to spend years learning how to play guitar in order to record it, not to mention that I have a voice fit for old school silent movies. I'm certainly not going to spend money on commissioning a song. But 5 minutes in ChatGPT to write and refine some lyrics, followed by 15 minutes in Suno playing with various prompts, and eventually I got "Per My Last Email"[0], and I was happy. Let the musicians rage against my shortcut. I don't care. Let them rage against some notion of "quality" and how AI doesn't provide it. Don't care, it's good enough for me. [0] https://youtu.be/ZVia46yAoMU https://youtu.be/ZVia46yAoMU
- QuercusMax 5mo ago
  The think your last sentence hits the nail on the head: it's good enough for YOU. You've essentially made a novelty song, and I don't believe you're going to be listening to it for years. The problem is when people spend 20 minutes prompting up a song and then attempt to make a career out of slop, and in the process drown out all the new creative works that aren't just remixed slop.