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There’s been so much climate alarmism since Al Gore decided to pivot to ‘hero of humanity’ that it barely registers for me now. I still have frozen rice and bea

by xvxvx 5mo ago

There’s been so much climate alarmism since Al Gore decided to pivot to ‘hero of humanity’ that it barely registers for me now. I still have frozen rice and beans from covid. Hope they’re still good.

amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
If you are a rich Westerner, you'll probably be fine. It's the poor that take the brunt when these sorts of emergencies happen.
- ResPublica 5mo ago
  Exactly
- adampunk 5mo ago
  No one is going to be fine.
- caminante 5mo ago
  >rich Westerner Not quite. These affluent countries torture themselves with terrible energy transition projects that jack up prices for everyone at the cost of more efficient alternatives. Healthcare, nutrition, education and other programs do vastly more for quality of life improvements for the poor.
  - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
    We aren't doing those either.
    - caminante 5mo ago
      Yeah...I know you want to gripe, but you'll have to be more convincing.
AngryData 5mo ago
Is it really alarmism when anyone alive for the last 30 years can clearly tell weather patterns are changing? To me this is like claiming someone in 1901 was an alarmist for talking about how dumping chemicals into our waterways was destroying them and dumping chemicals out the back of plants was creating polluted toxic ground as they observe increasing numbers of dead fish. And they were right, there are endless numbers of extremely toxic superfund sites and even more that are poorly documented that we know are killing people.
- littlexsparkee 5mo ago
  I'm as big a doomer (realist?) as they come but I think the framing is misleading here - deaths due to natural disasters have gone down due to planning, infastructure, coordination, better warning systems, so merely stating that millions died last time feels like sensationalism
- caminante 5mo ago
  You really should revisit the absurd claims Gore was promoting that didn't age well like the north pole melting in 5 years (2014). IMHO, the toxic chemicals comparison doesn't work. For climate change, you have alternatives to raise people's quality of life more effectively and saying that you must prioritize fighting climate change over ... better healthcare, sanitation (avoidance of toxic chemicals!*), nutrition, workforce development, etc. is not really an easy sell because the other paths yield better ROI. *Edit*
  - defrost 5mo ago
    > You really should revisit the absurd claims Gore was promoting Why? Absurd claims are absurd claims - I have zero doubts about the AGW outline and majority of case and data put forward in the IPCC papers despite never having seen the Gore film nor even living in the USofA.
    - delichon 5mo ago
      > I have zero doubts That is a red flag, regarding almost anything. It's a blind spot.
rexpop 5mo ago
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h4kunamata 5mo ago
There is way too much noise, AI made what was bad worse. Before, it was the main stream media sharing biased information. Now we have the same biased media AND AI sharing slope left and right. The only option left is independent journalist, ignore everything else.
breakyerself 5mo ago
The earth is hotter than it's been in 125,000 years. Warming at a rate dozens of times faster than the fastest periods of natural warming. The oceans are 25% more acidic. The worlds ice sheets and glaciers are losing 1 trillion tons of mass per year. Did Al Gore make a stupid prediction about arctic sea ice loss? Yes. Do you know who criticized him at the time? Climate scientists. Did you know Al Gore isn't a fucking scientist? I fucking hate Al Gore. You know why? Because he made himself the face of the climate crisis and now every partisan fuck on the right can't see past that. It's overwhelming their rationality.
insane_dreamer 5mo ago
this reaction is a big part of the problem also has nothing to do with possible covid food shortages
orwin 5mo ago
There were so much alarmism in 1898 against opioids in children's cough syrups, it barely registered. Then politicians decided to ban it for a few thousand dead, when alarmist doctors talked about millions.

by xvxvx 5mo ago

amanaplanacanal 5mo ago

If you are a rich Westerner, you'll probably be fine. It's the poor that take the brunt when these sorts of emergencies happen.

ResPublica 5mo ago
Exactly
adampunk 5mo ago
No one is going to be fine.
caminante 5mo ago
>rich Westerner Not quite. These affluent countries torture themselves with terrible energy transition projects that jack up prices for everyone at the cost of more efficient alternatives. Healthcare, nutrition, education and other programs do vastly more for quality of life improvements for the poor.
- amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
  We aren't doing those either.
  - caminante 5mo ago
    Yeah...I know you want to gripe, but you'll have to be more convincing.

AngryData 5mo ago

Is it really alarmism when anyone alive for the last 30 years can clearly tell weather patterns are changing? To me this is like claiming someone in 1901 was an alarmist for talking about how dumping chemicals into our waterways was destroying them and dumping chemicals out the back of plants was creating polluted toxic ground as they observe increasing numbers of dead fish. And they were right, there are endless numbers of extremely toxic superfund sites and even more that are poorly documented that we know are killing people.

littlexsparkee 5mo ago
I'm as big a doomer (realist?) as they come but I think the framing is misleading here - deaths due to natural disasters have gone down due to planning, infastructure, coordination, better warning systems, so merely stating that millions died last time feels like sensationalism
caminante 5mo ago
You really should revisit the absurd claims Gore was promoting that didn't age well like the north pole melting in 5 years (2014). IMHO, the toxic chemicals comparison doesn't work. For climate change, you have alternatives to raise people's quality of life more effectively and saying that you must prioritize fighting climate change over ... better healthcare, sanitation (avoidance of toxic chemicals!*), nutrition, workforce development, etc. is not really an easy sell because the other paths yield better ROI. *Edit*
- defrost 5mo ago
  > You really should revisit the absurd claims Gore was promoting Why? Absurd claims are absurd claims - I have zero doubts about the AGW outline and majority of case and data put forward in the IPCC papers despite never having seen the Gore film nor even living in the USofA.
  - delichon 5mo ago
    > I have zero doubts That is a red flag, regarding almost anything. It's a blind spot.

rexpop 5mo ago

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h4kunamata 5mo ago

There is way too much noise, AI made what was bad worse. Before, it was the main stream media sharing biased information. Now we have the same biased media AND AI sharing slope left and right. The only option left is independent journalist, ignore everything else.

breakyerself 5mo ago

The earth is hotter than it's been in 125,000 years. Warming at a rate dozens of times faster than the fastest periods of natural warming. The oceans are 25% more acidic. The worlds ice sheets and glaciers are losing 1 trillion tons of mass per year. Did Al Gore make a stupid prediction about arctic sea ice loss? Yes. Do you know who criticized him at the time? Climate scientists. Did you know Al Gore isn't a fucking scientist? I fucking hate Al Gore. You know why? Because he made himself the face of the climate crisis and now every partisan fuck on the right can't see past that. It's overwhelming their rationality.

insane_dreamer 5mo ago

this reaction is a big part of the problem also has nothing to do with possible covid food shortages

orwin 5mo ago

There were so much alarmism in 1898 against opioids in children's cough syrups, it barely registered. Then politicians decided to ban it for a few thousand dead, when alarmist doctors talked about millions.