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Solving the “Zork” Mystery

66 points by dpola 5mo ago

dpola 5mo ago
I looked into the well known triva about name of most popular text adventure.
- low_tech_love 5mo ago
  Don’t want to be that guy but brace yourself for part 2… if the first one disappointed you in some places, the 2nd is going to beat you to a pulp. And I won’t even start on the third. I’m the kind of person who prefers not to finish a game than to read hints or walkthroughs, and parts 2 and 3 have been sitting on my unfinished stack for literally decades. :(
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bandofthehawk 4mo ago
General jargon like foobar is not that far off in meaning from "unfinished software". I think it's possible there's not really a contradiction between the different sources. The "unfinished software" meaning in the NYT article might have just been an example of one possible use of a more general nonsense word.
- qsera 4mo ago
  Isn't it supposed to be fubar? fucked up beyond any recognition?
  - atoav 4mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar
  - ChrisClark 4mo ago
    not in code, the tradition has been two words actually, foo and bar
  - dahart 4mo ago
    Yes that’s the original spelling & meaning. But using the spellings foobar, foo, bar, and sometimes baz, have been used for decades in programming as examples, temporary names, stand-ins etc. I just assumed that spelling it foo was meant to distance it from the curse word slightly while simultaneously making the pronunciation more clear (i.e. foo not fuh); foo just makes a good nonsense word.
    - breatheoften 4mo ago
      I only just realized the z in foobaz stood for zork
    - wang_li 4mo ago
      They are called metasyntactic variables and there’s a handful of them for English, but also standard ones in other language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable
    - m463 4mo ago
      > foo not fuh not to be confused with: fuh not pho
- Supermancho 4mo ago
  Note the Etymology of "Foo" RFC http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html
- aaron695 4mo ago
  [dead]
zabzonk 4mo ago
Before I came across Zork, I thought I was quite intelligent...
- eludwig 4mo ago
  To be fair, the earliest text adventures are brutally, brutally difficult and in many cases, very much unfair! There are nowhere near enough in-game indicators or foreshadowing of what might work in a certain context. Some solutions are obvious, but others are truly ridiculous and won’t realistically be solved without a walkthrough or “invisi-clue” book. All imo, of course. Back in the 80’s we used to play these games in a group, with one person driving and a group of others helping out. Even then we used to fall back on hints occasionally.
  - ChicagoDave 4mo ago
    I played Dungeon, the much larger mainframe version of Zork in 1978. Between me and six other guys it took us nearly a year to finish the game. At that time, there were no video terminals. There were no monitors (this is high school). We played Dungeon and Adventure on 17” wide green bar paper terminals, usually a Digital Equipment Corporation DECWriter II or III. There was no Internet. There was nowhere to go for hints. We simply had to figure everything out. At that time, these were the first complex computer games. When the Imps created Infocom they made the top ten most popular games until video arrived in classrooms and homes. There is a fairly active community of hobbyists that still make text games, though evolved away from the brutal puzzles to more balanced narrative and seamless puzzles. Using Claude I even built my own platform: https://sharpee.net/ https://sharpee.net/. There a thousands of free text games. Check out https://ifdb.org https://ifdb.org for more.
    - zabzonk 4mo ago
      I too wrote my own platform, in the early 80s, in C++. I didn't use C++ for the user-written code, instead I used a Forth like, implemented in C++. This probably doomed the program, along with my inability to get string literals and vehicles such as boats right. But it was a great intro to C++, and I spent some time writing an easy, story-telling game, based on Jack Vance's Dying Earth books, in it. Time is never wasted when you are doing something new.
layer8 4mo ago
Clearly “zork” is a mispronunciation of “source”. ;)

66 points by dpola 5mo ago

dpola 5mo ago

I looked into the well known triva about name of most popular text adventure.

low_tech_love 5mo ago
Don’t want to be that guy but brace yourself for part 2… if the first one disappointed you in some places, the 2nd is going to beat you to a pulp. And I won’t even start on the third. I’m the kind of person who prefers not to finish a game than to read hints or walkthroughs, and parts 2 and 3 have been sitting on my unfinished stack for literally decades. :(
- deleted 4mo ago
  [deleted]

bandofthehawk 4mo ago

General jargon like foobar is not that far off in meaning from "unfinished software". I think it's possible there's not really a contradiction between the different sources. The "unfinished software" meaning in the NYT article might have just been an example of one possible use of a more general nonsense word.

qsera 4mo ago
Isn't it supposed to be fubar? fucked up beyond any recognition?
- atoav 4mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar
- ChrisClark 4mo ago
  not in code, the tradition has been two words actually, foo and bar
- dahart 4mo ago
  Yes that’s the original spelling & meaning. But using the spellings foobar, foo, bar, and sometimes baz, have been used for decades in programming as examples, temporary names, stand-ins etc. I just assumed that spelling it foo was meant to distance it from the curse word slightly while simultaneously making the pronunciation more clear (i.e. foo not fuh); foo just makes a good nonsense word.
  - breatheoften 4mo ago
    I only just realized the z in foobaz stood for zork
  - wang_li 4mo ago
    They are called metasyntactic variables and there’s a handful of them for English, but also standard ones in other language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable
  - m463 4mo ago
    > foo not fuh not to be confused with: fuh not pho
Supermancho 4mo ago
Note the Etymology of "Foo" RFC http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html
aaron695 4mo ago
[dead]

zabzonk 4mo ago

Before I came across Zork, I thought I was quite intelligent...

eludwig 4mo ago
To be fair, the earliest text adventures are brutally, brutally difficult and in many cases, very much unfair! There are nowhere near enough in-game indicators or foreshadowing of what might work in a certain context. Some solutions are obvious, but others are truly ridiculous and won’t realistically be solved without a walkthrough or “invisi-clue” book. All imo, of course. Back in the 80’s we used to play these games in a group, with one person driving and a group of others helping out. Even then we used to fall back on hints occasionally.
- ChicagoDave 4mo ago
  I played Dungeon, the much larger mainframe version of Zork in 1978. Between me and six other guys it took us nearly a year to finish the game. At that time, there were no video terminals. There were no monitors (this is high school). We played Dungeon and Adventure on 17” wide green bar paper terminals, usually a Digital Equipment Corporation DECWriter II or III. There was no Internet. There was nowhere to go for hints. We simply had to figure everything out. At that time, these were the first complex computer games. When the Imps created Infocom they made the top ten most popular games until video arrived in classrooms and homes. There is a fairly active community of hobbyists that still make text games, though evolved away from the brutal puzzles to more balanced narrative and seamless puzzles. Using Claude I even built my own platform: https://sharpee.net/ https://sharpee.net/. There a thousands of free text games. Check out https://ifdb.org https://ifdb.org for more.
  - zabzonk 4mo ago
    I too wrote my own platform, in the early 80s, in C++. I didn't use C++ for the user-written code, instead I used a Forth like, implemented in C++. This probably doomed the program, along with my inability to get string literals and vehicles such as boats right. But it was a great intro to C++, and I spent some time writing an easy, story-telling game, based on Jack Vance's Dying Earth books, in it. Time is never wasted when you are doing something new.

layer8 4mo ago

Clearly “zork” is a mispronunciation of “source”. ;)