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> Maybe this has to do with the leftward trend of the mainstream press. What mainstream press outlet has moved leftwards? I can't think of any, and I certainly

> Maybe this has to do with the leftward trend of the mainstream press. What mainstream press outlet has moved leftwards? I can't think of any, and I certainly am interested in knowing which those might be. Inversely, cbs, the ny times, and the washington post have all shifted rather noticeably rightward in the last 10 years.

CGMthrowaway 5mo ago
>cbs, the ny times, and the washington post have all shifted rather noticeably rightward As the Overton window or activist left moves further left on issues like identity politics, crime and free speech (1619 Project era at NYT, staff revolts etc), steady coverage can appear "righter" by comparison without actually changing
- rc_kas 5mo ago
  Remember when Net Nuetrality was the priority of hackernews and slashdot and basically all people in tech. Now it's a "leftist policy". We live in crazy times. Overton window has definitely shifted to the right. Beign a normal person who values science is now considered "leftist". Its nuts.
  - Terr_ 5mo ago
    There's also a bloc that's been working to try to retroactively redefine what "Net Neutrality" means. Instead of the usual stuff like "consumers have rights" or "ISP monopolies are bad" or "utilities should just provide the product and not spy and manipulate", they want it to mean something closer to "no online community can moderate itself." And that's the charitable version. The worse version involves rank hypocrisy and selective enforcement, where large social "networks" must be "neutral" to literal nazis, while somehow it's also OK to permaban for insulting Dear Leader.
  - JuniperMesos 5mo ago
    The set of people who are "basically all people in tech" has changed a lot since then for a variety of reasons; it's not surprising that any given political issue from a decade ago might not have the same resonance today.
- Octoth0rpe 5mo ago
  Where is the steady coverage? Again, I see coverage moving rightward at every major publication (including the ny times)
  - notahacker 5mo ago
    Apparently it's "steady coverage" for CBS to be taken over by a culture warring op-ed writer who singlehandedly spikes investigative journalism if the Trump administration don't want to offer their comments on the story, and for WaPo op-eds writers to tweet that "we're now a conservative opinion section"...
- wredcoll 5mo ago
  Wait, so your argument is that people being against censorship or discrimination are now considered to be left wing? That's literally the overton window moving to the right, you're contradicting yourself!
armchairhacker 5mo ago
According to AllSides, many outlets moved left, although some did move right: https://www.allsides.com/blog/AllSides-Media-Bias-Rating-Over-Time-2024 https://www.allsides.com/blog/AllSides-Media-Bias-Rating-Ove... It and https://mediabiasfactcheck.com https://mediabiasfactcheck.com say NYTimes “leans left” and is “left-center” respectively. What’s an example that you believe highlights NYTimes moving rightward?
- laweijfmvo 5mo ago
  you should scroll through AllSides' twitter before trusting them to be impartial.
  - armchairhacker 5mo ago
    https://xcancel.com/AllSidesNow https://xcancel.com/AllSidesNow Again, which one of these tweets highlights their bias? Most of them are event headlines from a “left”, a “center”, and “right” source.
- jcranmer 5mo ago
  > What’s an example that you believe highlights NYTimes moving rightward? Look at their coverage of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's response to a question about Taiwan versus Trump's response to a question about Taiwan. In the first case, their quote included all of the um's and other similar pauses in answering the question. In the second case, their quote of Trump cleaned up all of those artifacts. The end result is that it looks like AOC is flailing to come up with an answer while Trump has a clean, polished answer. But if you compare the actual audio clips of both answers, Trump's answer is the one that involves far more flailing to come up with a response. There is a general pattern in the more subtle aspects of presentation and framing that generally excuse the behaviors of right-wing politicians compared to the same actions being done by a left-wing politician.
  - armchairhacker 5mo ago
    I assume you mean this article for AOC quotes: https://archive.ph/gmvBy https://archive.ph/gmvBy And this for Trump quotes: https://archive.ph/staNQ https://archive.ph/staNQ You’re right about the quotes. But also consider this article that was published after Trump’s, not even labeled “editorial” or “opinion”: “Trump’s Taiwan Gambit is Already a Gift to China” (https://archive.ph/lwBWD https://archive.ph/lwBWD)

CGMthrowaway 5mo ago

>cbs, the ny times, and the washington post have all shifted rather noticeably rightward As the Overton window or activist left moves further left on issues like identity politics, crime and free speech (1619 Project era at NYT, staff revolts etc), steady coverage can appear "righter" by comparison without actually changing

rc_kas 5mo ago
Remember when Net Nuetrality was the priority of hackernews and slashdot and basically all people in tech. Now it's a "leftist policy". We live in crazy times. Overton window has definitely shifted to the right. Beign a normal person who values science is now considered "leftist". Its nuts.
- Terr_ 5mo ago
  There's also a bloc that's been working to try to retroactively redefine what "Net Neutrality" means. Instead of the usual stuff like "consumers have rights" or "ISP monopolies are bad" or "utilities should just provide the product and not spy and manipulate", they want it to mean something closer to "no online community can moderate itself." And that's the charitable version. The worse version involves rank hypocrisy and selective enforcement, where large social "networks" must be "neutral" to literal nazis, while somehow it's also OK to permaban for insulting Dear Leader.
- JuniperMesos 5mo ago
  The set of people who are "basically all people in tech" has changed a lot since then for a variety of reasons; it's not surprising that any given political issue from a decade ago might not have the same resonance today.
Octoth0rpe 5mo ago
Where is the steady coverage? Again, I see coverage moving rightward at every major publication (including the ny times)
- notahacker 5mo ago
  Apparently it's "steady coverage" for CBS to be taken over by a culture warring op-ed writer who singlehandedly spikes investigative journalism if the Trump administration don't want to offer their comments on the story, and for WaPo op-eds writers to tweet that "we're now a conservative opinion section"...
wredcoll 5mo ago
Wait, so your argument is that people being against censorship or discrimination are now considered to be left wing? That's literally the overton window moving to the right, you're contradicting yourself!

armchairhacker 5mo ago

According to AllSides, many outlets moved left, although some did move right: https://www.allsides.com/blog/AllSides-Media-Bias-Rating-Over-Time-2024 https://www.allsides.com/blog/AllSides-Media-Bias-Rating-Ove... It and https://mediabiasfactcheck.com https://mediabiasfactcheck.com say NYTimes “leans left” and is “left-center” respectively. What’s an example that you believe highlights NYTimes moving rightward?

laweijfmvo 5mo ago
you should scroll through AllSides' twitter before trusting them to be impartial.
- armchairhacker 5mo ago
  https://xcancel.com/AllSidesNow https://xcancel.com/AllSidesNow Again, which one of these tweets highlights their bias? Most of them are event headlines from a “left”, a “center”, and “right” source.
jcranmer 5mo ago
> What’s an example that you believe highlights NYTimes moving rightward? Look at their coverage of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's response to a question about Taiwan versus Trump's response to a question about Taiwan. In the first case, their quote included all of the um's and other similar pauses in answering the question. In the second case, their quote of Trump cleaned up all of those artifacts. The end result is that it looks like AOC is flailing to come up with an answer while Trump has a clean, polished answer. But if you compare the actual audio clips of both answers, Trump's answer is the one that involves far more flailing to come up with a response. There is a general pattern in the more subtle aspects of presentation and framing that generally excuse the behaviors of right-wing politicians compared to the same actions being done by a left-wing politician.
- armchairhacker 5mo ago
  I assume you mean this article for AOC quotes: https://archive.ph/gmvBy https://archive.ph/gmvBy And this for Trump quotes: https://archive.ph/staNQ https://archive.ph/staNQ You’re right about the quotes. But also consider this article that was published after Trump’s, not even labeled “editorial” or “opinion”: “Trump’s Taiwan Gambit is Already a Gift to China” (https://archive.ph/lwBWD https://archive.ph/lwBWD)