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> “His speech was incredibly disrespectful to students,” said Malone. “We as students are discouraged from using it and penalized for using it. And then to have

> “His speech was incredibly disrespectful to students,” said Malone. “We as students are discouraged from using it and penalized for using it. And then to have our speaker be the champion of AI is just like, OK? Why?” It's a perfectly fair question and the answer is that being a practitioner is different from being a student. If you want to hear some nice music you can learn to play and then record yourself, or you can buy/rent/freely acquire an existing recording. Both valid options, one is obviously a lot faster. If you want to be able to play music yourself, you have to do it yourself. Learning can't be outsourced. Somebody really should be explaining that to students.

cindyllm 5mo ago
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glitchc 5mo ago
But they are learning to practice, at least in some of the courses (others are focused on much-needed theory). It's like forcing students to write code by hand because using an editor would give away too much. And I know first-hand that CS education used to do precisely this as I have proctored such exams myself. What needs a rethink is how education, especially CS education, is imparted given the existence of these tools.
- FloorEgg 5mo ago
  > What needs a rethink is how education, especially CS education, is imparted given the existence of these tools. This is true of most of the education system. It all needs a rethink.
- glitchc 5mo ago
  *by hand I mean hand-written on a piece of paper.
FloorEgg 5mo ago
Knowledge can be transferred but understanding has to be earned from experience (doing something and getting some sort of feedback). LLMs are commoditizing knowledge, qnd the result will be a relative increase in the value of human understanding and skills. Some people may be baffled by the boos because they are so wealthy they lost touch with what it feels like to struggle to create and capture enough value to afford a dignified life. Some people are frustrated by the boos because it represents the failure of the education system to prepare students to thrive in an environment where thriving is very possible if you have the right attitude and skills. Personally, I'm frustrated because many of these students are being sabotaged by the media they consume, and the education system is not equiped to deal with the deep pessimism or prepare students for the new ways to create and capture value.

cindyllm 5mo ago

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glitchc 5mo ago

But they are learning to practice, at least in some of the courses (others are focused on much-needed theory). It's like forcing students to write code by hand because using an editor would give away too much. And I know first-hand that CS education used to do precisely this as I have proctored such exams myself. What needs a rethink is how education, especially CS education, is imparted given the existence of these tools.

FloorEgg 5mo ago
> What needs a rethink is how education, especially CS education, is imparted given the existence of these tools. This is true of most of the education system. It all needs a rethink.
glitchc 5mo ago
*by hand I mean hand-written on a piece of paper.

FloorEgg 5mo ago

Knowledge can be transferred but understanding has to be earned from experience (doing something and getting some sort of feedback). LLMs are commoditizing knowledge, qnd the result will be a relative increase in the value of human understanding and skills. Some people may be baffled by the boos because they are so wealthy they lost touch with what it feels like to struggle to create and capture enough value to afford a dignified life. Some people are frustrated by the boos because it represents the failure of the education system to prepare students to thrive in an environment where thriving is very possible if you have the right attitude and skills. Personally, I'm frustrated because many of these students are being sabotaged by the media they consume, and the education system is not equiped to deal with the deep pessimism or prepare students for the new ways to create and capture value.