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> Oh, 8 weeks, and they'll think about doing something? Huh, yeah, I'm sure that strong statement will have a big impact. It shows that you're wrong about the

by ericmay 5mo ago

> Oh, 8 weeks, and they'll think about doing something? Huh, yeah, I'm sure that strong statement will have a big impact. It shows that you're wrong about the diplomatic situation. 8 weeks isn't that long of a timeframe. It takes weeks just to move some assets in place. You don't have a good understanding of how long it takes to do these kinds of things. > Naval power has shifted massively over the past four years due to massive technology change, and the US has done nothing to adapt or learn from its Factually incorrect. First you can't make a claim that the US has done nothing to adapt or learn from the ongoing war in Ukraine. The reason you can't make that claim, aside from the fact that well, any single change in tactics would prove you wrong, is because the US still to this day is deploying weapons and testing weapons and capabilities in Ukraine on the battlefield. > former ally, Ukraine. Also factually incorrect because Ukraine was never a US ally. Secondarily we are still supporting Ukraine and without our help in the early days of the war they would have very likely fallen under a renewed Iron Curtain. America and England were rushing missiles while the rest of Europe was sending helmets and debating whether Russia was even going to invade. > You are simply wrong and outdate in your thinking Incorrect. You're parroting catch-phrases and what others tell you and not thinking through things for yourself here.

epistasis 5mo ago
> 8 weeks isn't that long of a timeframe. To respond to the closure of a key naval route that supplies 20% of world oil supply? After months of closure already, with zero response? This entire thing was started with zero warning, as far as your "diplomatic timelines" go. Asserting weird and strange judgement calls with extreme confidence, and belittling others' judgement at the same time, is a very weak argumentation style. Perhaps you could provide some evidence that a "watch out we'll talk about this in 8 weeks" is a strong sort of statement of any sort?
- ericmay 5mo ago
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  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    > Speaking of, you're also doing what you're accusing me of "months of closure with zero response" how is there zero response? As you noted, only today has it been reported that NATO is considering maybe doing something in the Strait. In a few months. "Don't be intellectually dishonest", indeed.
    - ericmay 5mo ago
      How is that being intellectually dishonest? You made a claim that NATO and Gulf States are closing bases to imply that they were denying support to the US, not that I think that claim is even true anyway, but even so I simply provided literal breaking news of NATO increasing support for the US here. They may ultimately decide to do nothing because, by July this whole thing could be over. Who knows? You are right though, Europeans do like to talk a lot and usually decide to do nothing. Maybe that'll play out again here. Plus, at least I provided a source for my claim. Where are yours?
      - ceejayoz 5mo ago
        > You made a claim that NATO and Gulf States are closing bases to imply that they were denying support to the US, not that I think that claim is even true anyway… Spain: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/02/world/middleeast/spain-denies-us-air-base.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/02/world/middleeast/spain-de... France: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/france-refused-israel-use-its-air-space-transfer-us-weapons-iran-war-sources-2026-03-31/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/france-refused-israel-us... Saudi Arabia: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trumps-abrupt-u-turn-plan-re-open-strait-hormuz-came-backlash-allies-rcna343845 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trumps-abrupt-u... > even so I simply provided literal breaking news of NATO increasing support You provided breaking news that they're considering it, and that it's breaking news today perfectly illustrates the "months of closure with zero response" claim you're trying to knock down.
        ericmay 5mo ago
        > You provided breaking news that they're considering it, and that it's breaking news today perfectly illustrates the "months of closure with zero response" claim you're trying to knock down. But saying there are "months of closure with zero response" is factually incorrect. The blockade itself is proof enough that there is a response lol. > Saudi Arabia https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-secret-u-a-e-and-saudi-strikes-on-iran-shattered-an-uneasy-coexistence-2e4502b6?st=QvBKT5&reflink=article_imessage_share https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-secret-u-a-e-and-s... > France Additional details are needed - this doesn't seem to be a very strong claim. France also as the article implies previously allowed these flights and resupply operations. They may change their mind yet again. > Spain Sure Spain doesn't support the war. I agree with you there. Ultimately, political hot potato on American overflights or strikes or usage of bases (which are being broadly used across NATO members) doesn't match the strong claim you seem to be wanting to make.
bonsai_spool 5mo ago
> Secondarily we are still supporting Ukraine I think you're living with an alternative set of facts/interpretations from the mainstream, to which you are entitled. We aren't supporting Ukraine anymore, that is essentially only Europe (via purchasing arms made in the US as well as elsewhere). I really encourage you to try to think about what evidence undergirds your ideas and how you'd disprove your beliefs, which seem very resistant to current events.
- ericmay 5mo ago
  Well the first problem here is you're ignoring the previous support that was provided and of course some hundred + billion to date. The US and UK were rushing in missiles before the war even started. Second, if you pay attention you can read about things like this for yourself: > https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5876595-ukraine-discharge-petition-kevin-kiley-gregory-meeks-house-gop/ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5876595-ukraine-discharge... " “We must also send a strong message that Russian support for Iran’s targeting of U.S. military assets will not be tolerated,” he added. Sponsored by Rep. Gregory Meeks (N.Y.), the senior Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, the legislation would affirm U.S. support for Ukraine, slap new economic sanctions on Russia and help to fund Ukrainian reconstruction whenever the war ends. It also provides Kyiv with additional weapons and military funding. And it declares U.S. support for NATO at a time when the Western treaty alliance has come under fire from President Trump, who has attacked the group and threatened to pull the U.S. from its roster. " Of course this is one minor example. You're focusing too much on what Donald Trump says. You need to give him a back seat and stop worrying about whatever dumb thing he tweets.

by ericmay 5mo ago

epistasis 5mo ago

> 8 weeks isn't that long of a timeframe. To respond to the closure of a key naval route that supplies 20% of world oil supply? After months of closure already, with zero response? This entire thing was started with zero warning, as far as your "diplomatic timelines" go. Asserting weird and strange judgement calls with extreme confidence, and belittling others' judgement at the same time, is a very weak argumentation style. Perhaps you could provide some evidence that a "watch out we'll talk about this in 8 weeks" is a strong sort of statement of any sort?

ericmay 5mo ago
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- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  > Speaking of, you're also doing what you're accusing me of "months of closure with zero response" how is there zero response? As you noted, only today has it been reported that NATO is considering maybe doing something in the Strait. In a few months. "Don't be intellectually dishonest", indeed.
  - ericmay 5mo ago
    How is that being intellectually dishonest? You made a claim that NATO and Gulf States are closing bases to imply that they were denying support to the US, not that I think that claim is even true anyway, but even so I simply provided literal breaking news of NATO increasing support for the US here. They may ultimately decide to do nothing because, by July this whole thing could be over. Who knows? You are right though, Europeans do like to talk a lot and usually decide to do nothing. Maybe that'll play out again here. Plus, at least I provided a source for my claim. Where are yours?
    - ceejayoz 5mo ago
      > You made a claim that NATO and Gulf States are closing bases to imply that they were denying support to the US, not that I think that claim is even true anyway… Spain: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/02/world/middleeast/spain-denies-us-air-base.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/02/world/middleeast/spain-de... France: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/france-refused-israel-use-its-air-space-transfer-us-weapons-iran-war-sources-2026-03-31/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china/france-refused-israel-us... Saudi Arabia: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trumps-abrupt-u-turn-plan-re-open-strait-hormuz-came-backlash-allies-rcna343845 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trumps-abrupt-u... > even so I simply provided literal breaking news of NATO increasing support You provided breaking news that they're considering it, and that it's breaking news today perfectly illustrates the "months of closure with zero response" claim you're trying to knock down.
      - ericmay 5mo ago
        > You provided breaking news that they're considering it, and that it's breaking news today perfectly illustrates the "months of closure with zero response" claim you're trying to knock down. But saying there are "months of closure with zero response" is factually incorrect. The blockade itself is proof enough that there is a response lol. > Saudi Arabia https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-secret-u-a-e-and-saudi-strikes-on-iran-shattered-an-uneasy-coexistence-2e4502b6?st=QvBKT5&reflink=article_imessage_share https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-secret-u-a-e-and-s... > France Additional details are needed - this doesn't seem to be a very strong claim. France also as the article implies previously allowed these flights and resupply operations. They may change their mind yet again. > Spain Sure Spain doesn't support the war. I agree with you there. Ultimately, political hot potato on American overflights or strikes or usage of bases (which are being broadly used across NATO members) doesn't match the strong claim you seem to be wanting to make.

bonsai_spool 5mo ago

> Secondarily we are still supporting Ukraine I think you're living with an alternative set of facts/interpretations from the mainstream, to which you are entitled. We aren't supporting Ukraine anymore, that is essentially only Europe (via purchasing arms made in the US as well as elsewhere). I really encourage you to try to think about what evidence undergirds your ideas and how you'd disprove your beliefs, which seem very resistant to current events.

ericmay 5mo ago
Well the first problem here is you're ignoring the previous support that was provided and of course some hundred + billion to date. The US and UK were rushing in missiles before the war even started. Second, if you pay attention you can read about things like this for yourself: > https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5876595-ukraine-discharge-petition-kevin-kiley-gregory-meeks-house-gop/ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5876595-ukraine-discharge... " “We must also send a strong message that Russian support for Iran’s targeting of U.S. military assets will not be tolerated,” he added. Sponsored by Rep. Gregory Meeks (N.Y.), the senior Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, the legislation would affirm U.S. support for Ukraine, slap new economic sanctions on Russia and help to fund Ukrainian reconstruction whenever the war ends. It also provides Kyiv with additional weapons and military funding. And it declares U.S. support for NATO at a time when the Western treaty alliance has come under fire from President Trump, who has attacked the group and threatened to pull the U.S. from its roster. " Of course this is one minor example. You're focusing too much on what Donald Trump says. You need to give him a back seat and stop worrying about whatever dumb thing he tweets.