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I'd be shocked if the Ring doorbells were materially more secure. I sit firmly in the "only smart device is my printer and I keep a loaded gun next to it in ca

I'd be shocked if the Ring doorbells were materially more secure. I sit firmly in the "only smart device is my printer and I keep a loaded gun next to it in case it makes a weird noise" camp.

themafia 5mo ago
The Battlestar Galactica rule. I find comfort in it as well.
random_savv 5mo ago
Your printer doesn't make weird noises?
- Bilal_io 5mo ago
  Nothing unexpected or I am not used to
- mrsvanwinkle 5mo ago
  have you tried putting a loaded wep next to it?
- m463 5mo ago
  All bets are off if you use unapproved third-party toner cartridges...
- taneq 5mo ago
  Nope, just the usual things a printer mumbles to itself when it thinks it’s alone.
- teddyh 5mo ago
  The original quote from 2019 is “an unexpected noise”: • <https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L> • <https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/aloi5v/programmers_know_the_risks_involved/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/aloi5v/pro...>
aidenn0 5mo ago
I would love if my printer was more dumb. It's cheaper to buy an AIO than a separate document (with duplex) and flatbed scanner.
- stackghost 5mo ago
  Nowadays smartphones do credible document scanning for most consumer use cases. iPhones had this built in before COVID at the latest. But the printer comment was actually a reference to a meme about how different groups of people relate to technology. Nobody on the Internet can ring my doorbell because it's a dumb button that connects to a dumb, literal bell.
  - pests 5mo ago
    I mean yes and no. If I knew your address, I could 100% ring your doorbell from the Internet. CTRL+T, doordash.com, McDonalds, "ring doorbell please", pay, done. I know this isn't what you mean, but, humans are buttons (or button pressers?)
    - deleted 5mo ago
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    - martheen 5mo ago
      To handle older cars that can't close the door by itself, Waymo (used to?) pay nearby DoorDash drivers to close it.
  - aidenn0 5mo ago
    > Nowadays smartphones do credible document scanning for most consumer use cases. iPhones had this built in before COVID at the latest. Now do 40 pages, front-and-back, with your smartphone.
    - stackghost 5mo ago
      That's not "most consumer use cases". I have not once in my entire life had to scan 40 pages at once. I bet I've never done more than 15 at once. For the once in a blue moon that I need to scan 40 double-sided pages I'd just go to my local print shop.
tehlike 5mo ago
I have a poe reolink camera doorbell that I am yet to install...
- inventor7777 5mo ago
  I've got the Reolink PoE doorbell and it works great!
  - gerdesj 5mo ago
    Me too. You can put it on a separate VLAN with no internet access and watch it via your own app eg Home Assistant, Frigate, Zoneminder or whatever.
    - robertlagrant 5mo ago
      I have a Reolink but haven't got to Home Assistant yet. I'm happy switching to that, but for less technical (though still digital savvy) spouses - how would you say the switch would be for them?
      - inventor7777 5mo ago
        I'd say it depends on what you are trying to do. If it is simple device control and media playing and other stuff, then all you need is to update [dashboards](https://www.home-assistant.io/dashboards/ https://www.home-assistant.io/dashboards/) when you add/move devices and the users will find it pretty easy and straightforward. My parents are not extremely tech savvy but they find Home Assistant easy to use when I make the dashboards thoughtfully. Making automations and scripts is getting easier every update, but it has a small learning curve as the logic can get complex and you sometimes need to know details like entity IDs or raw states. And there are some simple missing features that some people are very used to. Home Assistant is improving that sort of thing constantly, but sometimes the device APIs do not allow all functionality without the OEM apps. For example, the two biggest camera-related things that are missing in my opinion is that the camera viewer does not allow zoom or two way talk. It uses the native browser media player, and on both a Samsung tablet and all iOS devices, this means that you cannot zoom and pan around the image. This is obviously not an issue if you embed a dashboard such as Frigate into the HA UI, which IIRC supports both two way talk and zoom. But YMMV.
BLKNSLVR 5mo ago
Picturing the scene from Where The Buffalo Roam. ... but I think that was a fax machine.
nickt 5mo ago
You should probably get a cheap IoT camera to keep an eye on that printer!
- Bilal_io 5mo ago
  And then bug a camera to monitor the first camera
  - bonestamp2 5mo ago
    Exactly. All my IoT stuff is on it's own wifi network and VLAN because I don't trust the initial or long term security of some of these manufacturers.
- harry8 5mo ago
  not "get", build it with an esp32 & Tasmota (or whatever). https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005010326236256.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005010326236256.html
kotaKat 5mo ago
Funny thing, that. They actually have Activation Lock (of sorts). I regret it now but a few years back someone had moved into a home, dumped their Ring doorbell that came with the house, and we shoved it on our house. When we went to set it up Ring blocked the setup attempt because it was account bound. ... Apparently if you call Ring to release it (they can), frontline CS can see the entire log of when the doorbell was online, when it was last rung, and used that information to go "oh, it hasn't been rang in like eight months" to decide that I wasn't some criminal and that I can set up the doorbell myself.

I'd be shocked if the Ring doorbells were materially more secure. I sit firmly in the "only smart device is my printer and I keep a loaded gun next to it in case it makes a weird noise" camp.

themafia 5mo ago

The Battlestar Galactica rule. I find comfort in it as well.

random_savv 5mo ago

Your printer doesn't make weird noises?

Bilal_io 5mo ago
Nothing unexpected or I am not used to
mrsvanwinkle 5mo ago
have you tried putting a loaded wep next to it?
m463 5mo ago
All bets are off if you use unapproved third-party toner cartridges...
taneq 5mo ago
Nope, just the usual things a printer mumbles to itself when it thinks it’s alone.
teddyh 5mo ago
The original quote from 2019 is “an unexpected noise”: • <https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L> • <https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/aloi5v/programmers_know_the_risks_involved/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/aloi5v/pro...>

aidenn0 5mo ago

I would love if my printer was more dumb. It's cheaper to buy an AIO than a separate document (with duplex) and flatbed scanner.

stackghost 5mo ago
Nowadays smartphones do credible document scanning for most consumer use cases. iPhones had this built in before COVID at the latest. But the printer comment was actually a reference to a meme about how different groups of people relate to technology. Nobody on the Internet can ring my doorbell because it's a dumb button that connects to a dumb, literal bell.
- pests 5mo ago
  I mean yes and no. If I knew your address, I could 100% ring your doorbell from the Internet. CTRL+T, doordash.com, McDonalds, "ring doorbell please", pay, done. I know this isn't what you mean, but, humans are buttons (or button pressers?)
  - deleted 5mo ago
    [deleted]
  - martheen 5mo ago
    To handle older cars that can't close the door by itself, Waymo (used to?) pay nearby DoorDash drivers to close it.
- aidenn0 5mo ago
  > Nowadays smartphones do credible document scanning for most consumer use cases. iPhones had this built in before COVID at the latest. Now do 40 pages, front-and-back, with your smartphone.
  - stackghost 5mo ago
    That's not "most consumer use cases". I have not once in my entire life had to scan 40 pages at once. I bet I've never done more than 15 at once. For the once in a blue moon that I need to scan 40 double-sided pages I'd just go to my local print shop.

tehlike 5mo ago

I have a poe reolink camera doorbell that I am yet to install...

inventor7777 5mo ago
I've got the Reolink PoE doorbell and it works great!
- gerdesj 5mo ago
  Me too. You can put it on a separate VLAN with no internet access and watch it via your own app eg Home Assistant, Frigate, Zoneminder or whatever.
  - robertlagrant 5mo ago
    I have a Reolink but haven't got to Home Assistant yet. I'm happy switching to that, but for less technical (though still digital savvy) spouses - how would you say the switch would be for them?
    - inventor7777 5mo ago
      I'd say it depends on what you are trying to do. If it is simple device control and media playing and other stuff, then all you need is to update [dashboards](https://www.home-assistant.io/dashboards/ https://www.home-assistant.io/dashboards/) when you add/move devices and the users will find it pretty easy and straightforward. My parents are not extremely tech savvy but they find Home Assistant easy to use when I make the dashboards thoughtfully. Making automations and scripts is getting easier every update, but it has a small learning curve as the logic can get complex and you sometimes need to know details like entity IDs or raw states. And there are some simple missing features that some people are very used to. Home Assistant is improving that sort of thing constantly, but sometimes the device APIs do not allow all functionality without the OEM apps. For example, the two biggest camera-related things that are missing in my opinion is that the camera viewer does not allow zoom or two way talk. It uses the native browser media player, and on both a Samsung tablet and all iOS devices, this means that you cannot zoom and pan around the image. This is obviously not an issue if you embed a dashboard such as Frigate into the HA UI, which IIRC supports both two way talk and zoom. But YMMV.

BLKNSLVR 5mo ago

Picturing the scene from Where The Buffalo Roam. ... but I think that was a fax machine.

nickt 5mo ago

You should probably get a cheap IoT camera to keep an eye on that printer!

Bilal_io 5mo ago
And then bug a camera to monitor the first camera
- bonestamp2 5mo ago
  Exactly. All my IoT stuff is on it's own wifi network and VLAN because I don't trust the initial or long term security of some of these manufacturers.
harry8 5mo ago
not "get", build it with an esp32 & Tasmota (or whatever). https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005010326236256.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005010326236256.html

kotaKat 5mo ago

Funny thing, that. They actually have Activation Lock (of sorts). I regret it now but a few years back someone had moved into a home, dumped their Ring doorbell that came with the house, and we shoved it on our house. When we went to set it up Ring blocked the setup attempt because it was account bound. ... Apparently if you call Ring to release it (they can), frontline CS can see the entire log of when the doorbell was online, when it was last rung, and used that information to go "oh, it hasn't been rang in like eight months" to decide that I wasn't some criminal and that I can set up the doorbell myself.