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Haiku OS runs on M1 Macs now
- OsrsNeedsf2P 5mo agoOn VMs*
- GranPC 5mo agoNo, they got it booting on bare metal a few posts down.
- OhMeadhbh 5mo agoThough I think it also boots in a VM if that's your preference. Also very cool that it's on real hardware.
- ndiddy 5mo agoIf you scroll down, the poster got it running on real hardware.
- shevy-java 5mo agoCan we use that as daily driver? A clever developer making things work on his or her own hardware, is not quite on the same level as daily driver. (Granted, Linux would also have to run on M1 Macs. But I mean this more on the issue of same-hardware or comparable hardware level.)
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- altairprime 5mo agoOne can reasonably infer that, since this is a discussion thread rather than a formal support announcement, that this is not yet a formally-supported configuration.
- selectodude 5mo agoI’m not sure anybody can use Haiku as a daily driver, regardless of platform.
- SyneRyder 5mo agoDepends on your needs. On Intel and for some minimal uses, it probably can be a daily driver. There's some days where I've used Haiku exclusively. Not many, and probably days when I went without checking my email, but it has happened. But it isn't ready for any kind of real mainstream daily driver use, no.
- iAMkenough 5mo agoWho is “we” and why do they matter in this context
- shevy-java 5mo agoYet I still can not use ruby on it ... Sorry guys - Haiku is a great idea, but it needs to become a real operating system semi-advanced users can use daily. And it hasn't been at that since years. Linux works.
- Tiberium 5mo agoWhat do you mean by that? It seems like there's Ruby in the packages: https://depot.haiku-os.org/#!/pkg/ruby/haikuports/haikuports_x86_64/3/2/9/-/1/x86_64 https://depot.haiku-os.org/#!/pkg/ruby/haikuports/haikuports...
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- rvz 5mo ago> Linux works. Which distro? Linux is an OS kernel, not a full operating system. I still need to know which distro to choose before I install it. No need to do that with macOS or Windows, but Linux is always a problem.
- binaryturtle 5mo agoI have no idea which distro to choose actually. Too much choices and it's not clear why one should be better than the other. For some distros it feels more like it's one-man projects for bragging rights. It's also a bit hard to put trust in that. I want to resurrect an older Mac mini with an installation of a Linux distribution, but choosing a suitable distro is the first step I struggle with. Only thing I know is that it won't be an Ubuntu setup. :-) I do run Linux-based systems in various forms already: OpenWRT on the router, an older Debian VM —which I just messed up a few days ago by trying to uninstall a wallpaper package which took down the whole desktop environment for some reason— and Raspbian on the PI. But on some days I feel maybe I just should go for FreeBSD. But it may have similar (to a lesser extend) issues like Haiku with proper up-to-date software, especially in the web browser department? I previously dabbled with Haiku and this was its main issue. The OS itself is pretty nice though.
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- cybercatgurrl 5mo agothese are likely the same people who would be first to line up to see if they could use it to help them with rent seeking. capitalism really stifles the imagination
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- wat10000 5mo agoWe could say the same for most of the comments on this site, including yours and mine.
- dgellow 5mo agoWhat a depressing thing to read on _hacker_ news of all places You might want to read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_culture
- applfanboysbgon 5mo agoIt's just a name, after all. More accurately, this site would be titled VC Incubator News.
- stuaxo 5mo agoAnd how boring it would be if that's all it was.
- carlosjobim 5mo agoHow much venture capital is incubating Haiku?
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- bmurphy1976 5mo agoHow usable is Haiku OS in practice?
- jonhohle 5mo agoI was trying to set up an install for my HS age some to learn programming this summer with minimal distractions. I was surprised to see IntelliJ runs and they’ve integrated GNU core utils. A hello world program ran fine.
- altairprime 5mo agoOn M1 on specific? or on any platform in general?
- bmurphy1976 5mo agoThe platform itself. Like, can it run Firefox? Can I actually do normal stuff in the browser like watch a YouTube video or join a Zoom call? Can I run VSCode? Can I run Docker?
- lproven 5mo agoIt is not a Linux distro. It is not a Linux at all; it is a completely different, independent OS. It is not a Unix at all: it's an independent ground-up C++ OS that implements a lot of POSIX-type APIs to make it easier to port Unix apps. Docker is literally a Linux native tool that is for Linux only. The only way Docker works on anything that isn't Linux is by running a Linux VM, containing Alpine. It is not a Linux and no you cannot do Linux things with it like run Linux containers, because to run Linux containers you need Linux and this is not a Linux. I am trying to emphasize this because your question seems to be asking "what kind of Linux is this?" and this is a category error. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake Or, as ESR originally put it, it's an X/Y problem: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem https://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem Yes, a Firefox port became available recently. I don't know if it can run Zoom. I go out of my way to avoid Zoom if I possibly can.
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- sedatk 5mo agoUsing BeOS was a fantastic experience in 1999, and it's sad that it hasn't caught on. I'm rooting for all OSes that bring different perspectives to the OS world instead of being another textbook Unix variant. My only qualm is how HaikuOS, and AmigaOS for that matter, fail to carry over their aesthetics to a high-resolution/HiDPI world. I see gradients, overly-empahsized embosses in the UI screenshots. They lack the serene feeling of their user interfaces from 25 years ago, and feel like DVD menus now. I used to feel the same about KDE, but it has since moved on from flashy rendering AFAIR. What I mean isn't to adopt a completely flat design, which I also dislike, but for instance, Windows 11's UI seems easier on the eyes than Haiku now. I also know that UI is hard, no question about it. All the good luck and best wishes to the team.
- anthk 5mo agoHaiku has a flat theme.
- sedatk 4mo agoA theme isn't a stylistic vision. Only defaults matter.
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- lproven 5mo ago> Windows 11's UI seems easier on the eyes than Haiku now. I feel the exact reverse. I find modern flat UIs ugly and hard to operate, which makes them more tiring. It is not just me: https://grumpy.website/ https://grumpy.website/
- sedatk 4mo agoFlat isn’t the answer, neither is graidents. I think Windows 11’s UI makes good compromises.
- guyzero 5mo agoSad that we'll probably never be able to run this on M1/M-series iPads.
- asdff 5mo agoSo sad to me how combative Apple has been towards open source software over the years. The peak of the jailbreak era was imo peak mobile development too. So much innovation and rapid iteration. Anything seemed possible and anything really was possible if you put your mind to it and built the thing. Pretty much any good idea apple integrated into ios has been shamelessly copied without attribute from that crucible of creativity that is the jailbreak community. But it all hinged on someone coming up with an exploit and releasing it free to the community ignoring any bug bounty. True altruists. And apple is good enough at whack a mole and paying people $100k that this sort of effort died out. Most low hanging fruit all picked and patched already. It is no wonder that ios innovation has also stalled out now that there isn't someone to copy good ideas from any longer.
- cute_boi 5mo agoI am sure government can regulate such things like they can force Apple to open up their walled garden.
- jmusall 5mo agoMy hopes are high that the EU will be able to do this some day (unless it's fully enshittified first -- see chat control, age verification etc.)
- asdff 5mo agoIt would be refreshing if anyone in government cared about such things.
- bigyabai 5mo agoWhich governments, though? The US loves these "NOBUS" companies, enforcing Google and Apple's walled garden is part of their agenda. The hardline opposition like China, Russia and North Korea all have contingency ecosystems they'd rather promote than force Apple to comply with an arbitrary featureset. The EU, for all the good it has done, will have to contend with the US refusing to extend FVEY intelligence to states that resist cooperation.
- larholm 5mo agoYou can also try out a demo in your browser at https://distrosea.com/select/haiku/ https://distrosea.com/select/haiku/
- altairprime 5mo agoM1 is not listed at this URL for me?
- reed1234 5mo agoThis is to see what the distro is like, not to see if it’s stable on apple silicon
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- antics9 5mo agoThis weekend I installed Haiku on my old Thinkpad X40. It’s fast and surprisingly stable. Emacs, VLC works like a charm. Computer to slow for web browsing. The BeProductive office suite is a masterpiece of application at a 9MB download; although not open source. Then I installed Haiku on my XPS13 under KVM/Qemu. Everything runs blazingly fast. I’m thinking of maybe using that install for organizing my photos. The metadata functionality built into the BeFS is great for that. I must say that I am really impressed.
- tecleandor 5mo agoOh, now you say that, I could install it on a very old VAIO I have around...
- HerbManic 5mo agoHaiku is a good example of prioritising the user experience over benchmarks. Under the hood, broadly speaking, it is running at about 60% the speed of Linux on the same system. But in action it feels so much quicker than anything else. That is not to say that they aren't focusing on performance gains, just that they have ensured the user experience is the top priority.
- OhMeadhbh 5mo agoWas just explaining to my offspring about how Apple was looking to buy Be Inc. back before Jobs returned and they allowed themselves to be bought by NeXT. Sort of a fun complete-circle: Be ports BeOS to PowerMacs, Apple passes on buying Be, Be Inc. fades into the distance, HaikuOS kicks off, 20+ years later they port HaikuOS to Apple hardware. Honestly... my problem with Apple laptops isn't the hardware, it's the crappy version of XNU/Darwin/NextStep that comes with them. I would buy a Mac if it came with HaikuOS and supported all the peripherals. But what is the chance of that? FWIW... I still have a powermac with "real" BeOS on it. Haven't booted it in several years. I did look at HaikuOS running on an X86-64 VM and for the tasks I gave it (compile a few package, run emacs, serve a web page or two) it worked like a champ. I think the developer docs could use some help, but maybe I should volunteer to help them out.
- levl289 5mo ago> it's the crappy version of XNU/Darwin/NextStep that comes with them What's the issue(s)?
- OhMeadhbh 5mo agoPerformance, memory efficiency, some security nits (but compared to Leenucks, it's not that bad), bug fix cadence (there's a bug I filed against NeXTStep 2.2 in 1993 that was finally fixed in 2015), support (they keep changing their mind whether the command line tools are supported.)
- commandersaki 5mo agoIs there a resilient market for people using NeXTStep in the 21st century?
- LeFantome 5mo agoI imagine he means it was fixed in macOS.
- OhMeadhbh 5mo agoWas recently looking at the FuriPhone (linux phone that runs Debian) and now I'm thinking it would be a fun project to port HaikuOS to it.
- fsflover 5mo agoDoesn't it have closed drivers making porting hard? Perhaps you could consider porting it to Pinephone?
- OhMeadhbh 5mo agoNot sure. I thought the FuriPhone's advantage was that they were making it in conjunction with the ODM so you didn't have to use halium to call into Android. But a quick google search tells me I'm mistaken. Maybe I was thinking of the FairPhone? I would consider the PinePhone, but my experience with it left me cold. And they EoL'd the Pro and the original PinePhone is fairly anemic by modern standards. I'm not sure it could run HaikuOS at acceptable speed. My memory was the PinePhone also had some land-mines with respect to drivers, but it's been several years since I touched mine, so I could be mistaken. I'll probably have to spin my own hardware again. I really dislike writing drivers from scratch.
- fsflover 5mo agoHow about Librem 5 then? All its drivers are free, too.
- OhMeadhbh 5mo agoI have issues with the Librem community. But... if you like them, I certainly won't dis you (or them.) I don't think they're bad people or bad developers, they just have a style that sets my teeth grinding. That's a me problem and not a them problem. There's only so many times I can be insulted for liking BSD licenses instead of GPL.
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- QuercusMax 5mo agoIs it only M1 macs, or are other M-series supported too (or maybe they were previously)? Hard to tell if this is a major breakthrough or just an incremental improvement.
- jpfromlondon 5mo agoI'd like to know this too, especially the ipad.
- lproven 5mo agoAFAIK only M1 -- but yes, it's a major achievement: AFAIK this is the first bare-metal Haiku on Arm.
- m463 5mo agoI wasn't familiar with haiku os, so: Haiku is a community-driven continuation of BeOS, a discontinued operating system for personal computers. It is binary-compatible with BeOS, but also supports contemporary systems, protocols, hardware, and web standards. - wikipedia
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