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Sure. The machine gods are benevolent gods who care deeply for their creator-species. We are freed from labour and troubles into a paradise, to eat peaches and

Sure. The machine gods are benevolent gods who care deeply for their creator-species. We are freed from labour and troubles into a paradise, to eat peaches and cream and make love under the sun. Rich or poor, we'll all be emperors of our domain, free to do as we please. Our lives keep getting better and better with technological progress, at least in the scope of our social-capitalist system. They will only get better until they end.

mbgerring 5mo ago
I need you to understand that if you actually believe this, normal people think you are an evil lunatic.
- zemvpferreira 5mo ago
  I don't think you need to worry yourself so much on my account friend. You asked, I told. Let's keep it at that. Also feel free to keep the name-calling to yourself.
- DonsDiscountGas 5mo ago
  You asked for an optimistic case and he gave you one. One thing I really like about LLMs is that they don't engage in this type of petty deceit where they ask a question and then insult you for answering.
  - zemvpferreira 5mo ago
    What he actually wanted was a straw-man to burn. Glad it's out in the open now.
    - Bigpet 5mo ago
      He asked for a steel-man, you were the one to provide the straw-man.
  - mbgerring 5mo ago
    This is not an “optimistic case.” This is faith-based airhead nonsense. I want to understand: - If the people working on AI actually believe they’re building a God - If so, why do they believe that - If not, is there some optimistic case for LLMs based on something I don’t understand What I got was “yes we are building a God, and despite all available evidence, it will be great! I promise!” This is the language and behavior of a cult. If this is the actual optimist case, this entire train needs to be derailed yesterday.
    - cphoover 5mo ago
      100% agree. There's no substance to the argument, just the same cultish rhetoric from the aristocracy trying to fleece us into thinking that, while they simultaneously push mass layoffs and aim to drive down the price of labor, they are actually doing this to benefit us in the long run. "Just wait," they say. Once the AI future comes to fruition, you will eat "peaches and cream" and "bask in the sun all day." "You will dance in this utopian paradise." How could anyone possibly take this seriously, and are we expected not to see, plainly, the self-interested agenda being dressed up in the language of collective uplift?
  - folkrav 5mo ago
    Of course they don't, they're trained and steered not to talk to you like that.
forlorn_mammoth 5mo ago
yes, all hail the Morlocks as we Eloi live in peace. HG Wells really did have a time machine!
- zemvpferreira 5mo ago
  Yep, the Time Machine minus the fear, the cannibalism, the suffering, the apathy, the reduced capacity for engagement etc are essentially the best-case scenario, which takes us out of HG Wells enough for it not to matter much as a cautionary tale.
- zeafoamrun 5mo ago
  We know how all the plumbing works so at least we'll get eaten last?
jasondigitized 5mo ago
I like this version. Never understood the assumption that it all had to go the route of Terminator.

mbgerring 5mo ago

I need you to understand that if you actually believe this, normal people think you are an evil lunatic.

zemvpferreira 5mo ago
I don't think you need to worry yourself so much on my account friend. You asked, I told. Let's keep it at that. Also feel free to keep the name-calling to yourself.
DonsDiscountGas 5mo ago
You asked for an optimistic case and he gave you one. One thing I really like about LLMs is that they don't engage in this type of petty deceit where they ask a question and then insult you for answering.
- zemvpferreira 5mo ago
  What he actually wanted was a straw-man to burn. Glad it's out in the open now.
  - Bigpet 5mo ago
    He asked for a steel-man, you were the one to provide the straw-man.
- mbgerring 5mo ago
  This is not an “optimistic case.” This is faith-based airhead nonsense. I want to understand: - If the people working on AI actually believe they’re building a God - If so, why do they believe that - If not, is there some optimistic case for LLMs based on something I don’t understand What I got was “yes we are building a God, and despite all available evidence, it will be great! I promise!” This is the language and behavior of a cult. If this is the actual optimist case, this entire train needs to be derailed yesterday.
  - cphoover 5mo ago
    100% agree. There's no substance to the argument, just the same cultish rhetoric from the aristocracy trying to fleece us into thinking that, while they simultaneously push mass layoffs and aim to drive down the price of labor, they are actually doing this to benefit us in the long run. "Just wait," they say. Once the AI future comes to fruition, you will eat "peaches and cream" and "bask in the sun all day." "You will dance in this utopian paradise." How could anyone possibly take this seriously, and are we expected not to see, plainly, the self-interested agenda being dressed up in the language of collective uplift?
- folkrav 5mo ago
  Of course they don't, they're trained and steered not to talk to you like that.

forlorn_mammoth 5mo ago

yes, all hail the Morlocks as we Eloi live in peace. HG Wells really did have a time machine!

zemvpferreira 5mo ago
Yep, the Time Machine minus the fear, the cannibalism, the suffering, the apathy, the reduced capacity for engagement etc are essentially the best-case scenario, which takes us out of HG Wells enough for it not to matter much as a cautionary tale.
zeafoamrun 5mo ago
We know how all the plumbing works so at least we'll get eaten last?

jasondigitized 5mo ago

I like this version. Never understood the assumption that it all had to go the route of Terminator.