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I’m reasonably certain that Schmidt anticipated that reaction after the first speaker was booed. It had the vibe of “These people need to hear the Truth”.

by muglug 5mo ago

keybored 5mo ago
It isn’t every day that Big Tech execs get to hear the truth of everyperson sentiment.
- daveguy 5mo ago
  Yeah, maybe they should listen for once. Every indie developer should be working to get people off the big tech slop treadmill.
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    > Every indie developer should be working to get people off the big tech slop treadmill. And what exactly are we supposed to do? Just try to ship alternatives to big tech slop? Actively try to work against them? Publish cracked software so they stop earning money? Genuinely asking, as I'm not sure sure indie developers are the ones who should try to work against these enormous corporations, it's typically the job of the government to ensure society works and is fair, but they seem to currently be on the side of big tech, so indie developers can't realistically do anything about it, unless I'm missing what you're asking for here.
    - daveguy 5mo ago
      Agreed. The most effective efforts aren't going to come from indie developers. They aren't software issues, more regulatory. Busting up big tech into "baby bells" is the number one thing that needs to be done. But now that we have essentially "boilerplate for free", I hope the degoogle/demeta/etc and self-hosted efforts are boosted in a way that even my mom can migrate away without much trouble. But that'll probably take real AI and not slop based addiction machines.
      - embedding-shape 5mo ago
        > self-hosted efforts are boosted in a way that even my mom can migrate away without much trouble I love self-hosting, been doing it myself for quite some time already, and also notice a slight uptick among friends and acquaintances also interested in the same. When it comes to businesses, the ones that didn't already host their data in Europe/EU, are now desperately moving the data, but almost none of them go on-prem/self-hosted, for the typical reasons. So, while there is a slight uptick, I'm not sure this is the "local stacks" moment, and also not sure that's actually what the public wants. I sometimes dream of setting up a company basically focused on helping people do more self-hosting in various ways, but after looking into it more, I always end up with the feeling that people typically don't actually want self-hosting, most people don't seem to care where the data lives. That'd be such a dream business though, so it's hard to let go of the idea :)
- Levitz 5mo ago
  I don't think college campuses are exactly representative of "everyperson sentiment". There was a time in which they deserved some respect, as a result of free exchange of ideas among intellectuals. That's far behind by now.
  - jackmottatx 5mo ago
    [dead]
  - keybored 5mo ago
    Culture War topics about college campus value systems are irrelevant here.
  - ipython 5mo ago
    AI has a net negative perception in surveys across the US. It’s so unpopular that AI data center development is less popular than a nuclear power plant. Yes I’d say this is more than representative of “every person” sentiment.
  - surgical_fire 5mo ago
    It's about time rich morons stop being treated as intellectuals just because they are rich.
    - cindyllm 5mo ago
      [dead]
Mizza 5mo ago
Eric Schmidt also raped a woman forty years younger than him, the students were objecting to that as much as the AI. Maybe don't schedule public speaking events after being accused of rape if you don't want to get booed.
- unfirehose 5mo ago
  "don't be evil"
  - sam_lowry_ 5mo ago
    What about the presumption of innocence? The case is in open court now, AFAIU.
    - kleiba2 5mo ago
      Can someone who downvoted parent's comment explain what's wrong with the presumption of innocence in their opinion?
      - lostmsu 5mo ago
        A lot of people enjoy the moonlight dancing on pitchforks. It's captivating! It shows strength! Presumption of innocence is meh.
      - danaris 5mo ago
        The presumption of innocence is for courts of law. The court of public opinion has no such rules. If we, the people, see a credible accusation against someone who seems like the type of person who might be guilty of it, we are free to call it like we see it. Naturally, this can lead to problems: after all, who is "credible" and who "seems like they might be guilty" can be (and very much have been) subject to a lot of bigotry. This is why we have the rules we do in courts of law. But anyone trying to enforce actual legal court rules on public online discussions generally just ends up looking like a jerk.
- cubefox 5mo ago
delfinom 5mo ago
The only ones that need to hear the truth are the speakers not realizing they are first to go in civil uprising over mass unemployment
SlinkyOnStairs 5mo ago
> It had the vibe of “These people need to hear the Truth”. Schmidt anticipated the response, but does not understand it. He falls flat on his face here precisely because "needing to hear the truth" is a self-contradiction. The very fact that he has to go around saying 'AI is inevitable, suck it up you live in our world now', proves that it's not true. Nothing that is actually inevitable is declared as such. Nobody goes to say "The sun will rise tomorrow!" And this failure is pretty serious. The kids (and wider public) instinctively understand this dynamic even if Schmidt doesn't. No matter how it's phrased, the only thing these kids will hear is "We are ruining your life", "We are taking everything from you". It's all but inevitable than worryingly soon, some of them will go "Nothing to lose? Bet." and we will see far worse violence than the failed property damage against Sam Altman's house.
- logicchains 5mo ago
  AI is inevitable in the sense that if a country rejects the development of AI, it'll eventually end up subjugated military by the robots of a country that did invest in AI.
  - keybored 5mo ago
    > AI is inevitable in the sense that if a country rejects the development of AI, [AI inevitabilism premise]
  - gilrain 5mo ago
    Actually, it’s possible other countries don’t have our counterproductively-murderous instincts. You’re looking in a mirror and you fear yourself.
    - logicchains 5mo ago
      You're looking in a mirror and seeing somebody who never read a history book. Every single powerful nation that exists today was built upon war and invasion of some groups by other groups.
  - 5mo ago

I’m reasonably certain that Schmidt anticipated that reaction after the first speaker was booed. It had the vibe of “These people need to hear the Truth”.

by muglug 5mo ago

I’m reasonably certain that Schmidt anticipated that reaction after the first speaker was booed. It had the vibe of “These people need to hear the Truth”.

keybored 5mo ago

It isn’t every day that Big Tech execs get to hear the truth of everyperson sentiment.

daveguy 5mo ago
Yeah, maybe they should listen for once. Every indie developer should be working to get people off the big tech slop treadmill.
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  > Every indie developer should be working to get people off the big tech slop treadmill. And what exactly are we supposed to do? Just try to ship alternatives to big tech slop? Actively try to work against them? Publish cracked software so they stop earning money? Genuinely asking, as I'm not sure sure indie developers are the ones who should try to work against these enormous corporations, it's typically the job of the government to ensure society works and is fair, but they seem to currently be on the side of big tech, so indie developers can't realistically do anything about it, unless I'm missing what you're asking for here.
  - daveguy 5mo ago
    Agreed. The most effective efforts aren't going to come from indie developers. They aren't software issues, more regulatory. Busting up big tech into "baby bells" is the number one thing that needs to be done. But now that we have essentially "boilerplate for free", I hope the degoogle/demeta/etc and self-hosted efforts are boosted in a way that even my mom can migrate away without much trouble. But that'll probably take real AI and not slop based addiction machines.
    - embedding-shape 5mo ago
      > self-hosted efforts are boosted in a way that even my mom can migrate away without much trouble I love self-hosting, been doing it myself for quite some time already, and also notice a slight uptick among friends and acquaintances also interested in the same. When it comes to businesses, the ones that didn't already host their data in Europe/EU, are now desperately moving the data, but almost none of them go on-prem/self-hosted, for the typical reasons. So, while there is a slight uptick, I'm not sure this is the "local stacks" moment, and also not sure that's actually what the public wants. I sometimes dream of setting up a company basically focused on helping people do more self-hosting in various ways, but after looking into it more, I always end up with the feeling that people typically don't actually want self-hosting, most people don't seem to care where the data lives. That'd be such a dream business though, so it's hard to let go of the idea :)
Levitz 5mo ago
I don't think college campuses are exactly representative of "everyperson sentiment". There was a time in which they deserved some respect, as a result of free exchange of ideas among intellectuals. That's far behind by now.
- jackmottatx 5mo ago
  [dead]
- keybored 5mo ago
  Culture War topics about college campus value systems are irrelevant here.
- ipython 5mo ago
  AI has a net negative perception in surveys across the US. It’s so unpopular that AI data center development is less popular than a nuclear power plant. Yes I’d say this is more than representative of “every person” sentiment.
- surgical_fire 5mo ago
  It's about time rich morons stop being treated as intellectuals just because they are rich.
  - cindyllm 5mo ago
    [dead]

Mizza 5mo ago

Eric Schmidt also raped a woman forty years younger than him, the students were objecting to that as much as the AI. Maybe don't schedule public speaking events after being accused of rape if you don't want to get booed.

unfirehose 5mo ago
"don't be evil"
- sam_lowry_ 5mo ago
  What about the presumption of innocence? The case is in open court now, AFAIU.
  - kleiba2 5mo ago
    Can someone who downvoted parent's comment explain what's wrong with the presumption of innocence in their opinion?
    - lostmsu 5mo ago
      A lot of people enjoy the moonlight dancing on pitchforks. It's captivating! It shows strength! Presumption of innocence is meh.
    - danaris 5mo ago
      The presumption of innocence is for courts of law. The court of public opinion has no such rules. If we, the people, see a credible accusation against someone who seems like the type of person who might be guilty of it, we are free to call it like we see it. Naturally, this can lead to problems: after all, who is "credible" and who "seems like they might be guilty" can be (and very much have been) subject to a lot of bigotry. This is why we have the rules we do in courts of law. But anyone trying to enforce actual legal court rules on public online discussions generally just ends up looking like a jerk.
cubefox 5mo ago

delfinom 5mo ago

The only ones that need to hear the truth are the speakers not realizing they are first to go in civil uprising over mass unemployment

SlinkyOnStairs 5mo ago

> It had the vibe of “These people need to hear the Truth”. Schmidt anticipated the response, but does not understand it. He falls flat on his face here precisely because "needing to hear the truth" is a self-contradiction. The very fact that he has to go around saying 'AI is inevitable, suck it up you live in our world now', proves that it's not true. Nothing that is actually inevitable is declared as such. Nobody goes to say "The sun will rise tomorrow!" And this failure is pretty serious. The kids (and wider public) instinctively understand this dynamic even if Schmidt doesn't. No matter how it's phrased, the only thing these kids will hear is "We are ruining your life", "We are taking everything from you". It's all but inevitable than worryingly soon, some of them will go "Nothing to lose? Bet." and we will see far worse violence than the failed property damage against Sam Altman's house.

logicchains 5mo ago
AI is inevitable in the sense that if a country rejects the development of AI, it'll eventually end up subjugated military by the robots of a country that did invest in AI.
- keybored 5mo ago
  > AI is inevitable in the sense that if a country rejects the development of AI, [AI inevitabilism premise]
- gilrain 5mo ago
  Actually, it’s possible other countries don’t have our counterproductively-murderous instincts. You’re looking in a mirror and you fear yourself.
  - logicchains 5mo ago
    You're looking in a mirror and seeing somebody who never read a history book. Every single powerful nation that exists today was built upon war and invasion of some groups by other groups.
- 5mo ago