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Many brilliant people have serious mental health issues that preclude their ability to regulate their emotions and act maturely in serious situations e.g. respo

Many brilliant people have serious mental health issues that preclude their ability to regulate their emotions and act maturely in serious situations e.g. responsible vulnerability disclosure. I've watched genius-level IQ people get fired time and again because they don't know how to work with others at a basic kindergarten level.

gusfoo 5mo ago
There is, sadly, no place for non-standard ICs in corpos nowadays. HR will enforce that.
- david-gpu 5mo ago
  Emotionally immature people tend to be a liability, not an asset. Therapy can help, but they first need a willingness to do better.
- wolvoleo 5mo ago
  Yeah I'm getting a lot of pressure to be a "team player" lately. I've told them over and over I'm not capable of that and that has never been a problem before. But we have a hipster new VP who is really pushy and wants to generalise everything.
  - stackghost 5mo ago
    If you worked for me and you said you're not capable of being part of a team I'd immediately start looking to replace you. You might be a 100x rockstar developer. You might even be the best software engineer in the world. But the vast majority of good software is built by teams of people. It doesn't matter how good you are if you can't play nice with others. I'd rather have a team of "merely" good engineers than one "rockstar" creating a toxic work culture. Fuck that noise.
    - bayindirh 5mo ago
      "Not being a team player" doesn't mean the person is a nuisance, but they can be an introvert who has a limited interaction budget and can work silently and efficiently otherwise. This generally means the person might not leave their cubicle much or give feedback frequent enough, but this doesn't mean they are not motivated to help others or share knowledge. One can approach and ask a question and get tons of help immediately. How I know? That's me. I look like a cave dweller from a distance, but I'm not. The only difference I have is human interaction sometimes drains me a lot, so I just concentrate and work, yet everybody get their help immediately if they need them. Also, no, I don't bite or belittle people. On the contrary. Assuming the worst in others is bad. If I worked with you, I'd be looking for somewhere else the moment I found out how you think about me. Remember. People don't leave bad jobs, but bad managers.
      - stackghost 5mo ago
        I have worked with lots of introverts and my empirical observation is that the introversion/extraversion axis is completely orthogonal to whether or not someone can be a team player.
    - array_key_first 5mo ago
      You require both team players and "rockstar" individuals. It's not one or the other or a competition, because they do different things. Yes if you put a someone who can't work on a team on a team and expect team work then that will not work. But that's obvious, so then don't do that. Expecting a homogeneous workforce isn't realistic or optimal.
      - stackghost 5mo ago
        >You require both team players and "rockstar" individuals. Hard disagree. Some of the best, most successful, and most impactful projects I've ever been on had no "rockstars" at all. People who refer to themselves as rockstars is a huge red flag.
    - gremlinunderway 5mo ago
  - coderjames 5mo ago
    > I've told them over and over I'm not capable of that I can relate and empathize. And also provide this suggestion based on my own similar experience: if you can't provide evidence (e.g. doctor's diagnosis) that you are "special" or "not capable of that", then they don't have to care and will take steps to force you out. I wish you all the best.
    - wolvoleo 5mo ago
      Here in Europe it's different, we have more rights. Unfortunately I don't have an official diagnosis but I'm definitely neurodivergent. I've been meaning to get one but it is difficult.
  - abawany 5mo ago
    I was once (12 years ago) told: "they debate, they decide, we deliver" along with other "teamwork" pablum. This evil has been with us for a very long time, unfortunately.
- hatsix 5mo ago
  Nonsense. there are way more accommodations for people who wouldn't have had a place 20 years ago... those accommodations have changed what a "standard IC" is. There never was a place for run-of-the-mill geniuses who couldn't be bothered to spend a few hours researching P2P (Person to Person) protocols. They were always pushed off to small companies where the risk was much lower. This hasn't, won't, and shouldn't change. If that makes you salty, I got some things I'd recommend you research.
- gpvos 5mo ago
  IC = Independent contractor (I assume?)
  - greekrich92 5mo ago
    Individual contributor i.e., non-management
  - fg137 5mo ago
    https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-is-an-individual-contributor https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-is-a...
  - WaitWaitWha 5mo ago
    individual contributor. Someone who has no one reporting to them.
BoorishBears 5mo ago
This is an oddly passive-aggressive comment when a much more likely read is they were relying on the funding and the large tech company did what large tech companies do and started moving slowly. And I can see others already blaming them for relying on the vulnerability for living expenses, but if we can hold the hyper-rationalization for a second, we shouldn't be against the person who expected an organization with more money than God to uphold a deal for relative peanuts, right? Like yes we all get that large orgs make spending $5 very hard, many claps for being the in-group, but their frustration would be understandable.
- 866-RON-0-FEZ 5mo ago
  I'm supposed to feel bad that Microsoft didn't immediately wire him an advance on the bounty before validating anything? Have you ever tried to get anything corrected with a corporate payroll department? Try three months minimum. It's like suggesting someone was relying on a lottery ticket to payout to survive.
  - BoorishBears 5mo ago
    I tried to be as coddling with my language as possible. Acknowledged how orgs work, separated blaming the org from sympathizing with their reaction, tried to separate the prudence of their actions from the sticky situation they'd still be left in by the orgs actions... But it was for naught: people are really ingrained in a weird "might-makes-right" model of corporate operations. "Larry Ellison is a lawnmower" was supposed to be a jeremiad but now it's more like a guiding principle that we browbeat anyone for questioning.
  - array_key_first 5mo ago
    Yes and that's bad. Saying it's bad doesn't make it not-bad, it just makes it still bad but now we know it's bad.
- antonvs 5mo ago
  > we shouldn't be against the person who expected an organization with more money than God to uphold a deal for relative peanuts, right? You're assuming that there was a deal that wasn't upheld. I don't think we have enough information to assess that. This person's blog posts do read as being somewhat unstable. There's even someone in the comments seemingly genuinely trying to be helpful: "Just wondering if you’re BiPolar (like me) and see a different reality than what is real. Been there."
wolvoleo 5mo ago
To be honest if I got fired in a mean or unfair way I'd definitely hit back at my employer in such a manner if I'd have the ability to. I'm unlikely to have that though as I'm not aware of any saucy company secrets. But if this is what happened I think it's pretty justified. The secret here seems to be that Microsoft caches the key somewhere even when it's supposed to be only in the TPM! That's a pretty big revelation IMO.
- mananaysiempre 5mo ago
  > The secret here seems to be that Microsoft caches the key somewhere even when it's supposed to be only in the TPM! Not what happened here (I reserve my judgment wrt the promised TPM+PIN exploit). In the default TPM-only mode of BitLocker, the secret is in fact in the TPM, which will (as instructed by Windows upon key creation) release it to the correct OS running on the correct computer. Notably not in the picture is any user-provided data: measured boot is the only protection. It is only the correct programming of the OS that makes it request an account password (completely unrelated to the disk-encryption cryptography) before letting the user poke at the disk, which the OS can at that point already decrypt. Well, turns out the programming is such that if you ask politely it’ll just pop an Administrator(?) shell.
  - wolvoleo 5mo ago
    > Not what happened here (I reserve my judgment wrt the promised TPM+PIN exploit). Yes this is the one I'm referring to. I have noticed it myself, it has happened to me that my system rebooted to install updates and it did not pass through the blue TPM pin entry screen at that point. That was a big red flag for me. A normal reboot always does that, even a 'hot' reboot.
    - mananaysiempre 5mo ago
      > A normal reboot always [forces the TPM pin entry screen], even a 'hot' reboot. In TPM-only mode, I only see the screen—which asks for an recovery key that serves an alternative to the TPM-borne secret, not for whatever you are calling the “TPM PIN” here—whenever I update the firmware or the bootloader (the latter from the other side of the dual-boot setup). Otherwise it boots straight to the login screen, which meshes with the measured-boot-only theory of operation I’ve described above. There’s nothing nefarious in this part, even if I think it exposes an unwisely large attack surface (e.g. the USB stack). I suspect you simply reboot so rarely you’re never hitting the happy path.
jrflowers 5mo ago
Adults pay rent in money, not feelings. The answer to “how could Microsoft leave you homeless?” is “by not paying you”, not some bizarre “by making you feel so bad you lose your house, which you pay for with good feelings”
txrx0000 5mo ago
Reporting wrongdoing to the ones doing it doesn't work. Perhaps they relied on Microsoft a bit too much for their livelihood and are just beginning to reevaluate their decisions. It's not so rare for brilliant people to live a life of the mind and not pay enough attention to their material conditions. But defining that as "serious mental health issues" is such a cheap shot.
- 866-RON-0-FEZ 5mo ago
  > Reporting wrongdoing to the ones doing it doesn't work. Most large companies — including Microsoft [1] — have an internal affairs call center where you can anonymously report issues of malfeasance — assuming that's what happened here. [1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/compliance/sbc/report-a-concern https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/compliance/sbc/report-...

gusfoo 5mo ago

There is, sadly, no place for non-standard ICs in corpos nowadays. HR will enforce that.

david-gpu 5mo ago
Emotionally immature people tend to be a liability, not an asset. Therapy can help, but they first need a willingness to do better.
wolvoleo 5mo ago
Yeah I'm getting a lot of pressure to be a "team player" lately. I've told them over and over I'm not capable of that and that has never been a problem before. But we have a hipster new VP who is really pushy and wants to generalise everything.
- stackghost 5mo ago
  If you worked for me and you said you're not capable of being part of a team I'd immediately start looking to replace you. You might be a 100x rockstar developer. You might even be the best software engineer in the world. But the vast majority of good software is built by teams of people. It doesn't matter how good you are if you can't play nice with others. I'd rather have a team of "merely" good engineers than one "rockstar" creating a toxic work culture. Fuck that noise.
  - bayindirh 5mo ago
    "Not being a team player" doesn't mean the person is a nuisance, but they can be an introvert who has a limited interaction budget and can work silently and efficiently otherwise. This generally means the person might not leave their cubicle much or give feedback frequent enough, but this doesn't mean they are not motivated to help others or share knowledge. One can approach and ask a question and get tons of help immediately. How I know? That's me. I look like a cave dweller from a distance, but I'm not. The only difference I have is human interaction sometimes drains me a lot, so I just concentrate and work, yet everybody get their help immediately if they need them. Also, no, I don't bite or belittle people. On the contrary. Assuming the worst in others is bad. If I worked with you, I'd be looking for somewhere else the moment I found out how you think about me. Remember. People don't leave bad jobs, but bad managers.
    - stackghost 5mo ago
      I have worked with lots of introverts and my empirical observation is that the introversion/extraversion axis is completely orthogonal to whether or not someone can be a team player.
  - array_key_first 5mo ago
    You require both team players and "rockstar" individuals. It's not one or the other or a competition, because they do different things. Yes if you put a someone who can't work on a team on a team and expect team work then that will not work. But that's obvious, so then don't do that. Expecting a homogeneous workforce isn't realistic or optimal.
    - stackghost 5mo ago
      >You require both team players and "rockstar" individuals. Hard disagree. Some of the best, most successful, and most impactful projects I've ever been on had no "rockstars" at all. People who refer to themselves as rockstars is a huge red flag.
  - gremlinunderway 5mo ago
- coderjames 5mo ago
  > I've told them over and over I'm not capable of that I can relate and empathize. And also provide this suggestion based on my own similar experience: if you can't provide evidence (e.g. doctor's diagnosis) that you are "special" or "not capable of that", then they don't have to care and will take steps to force you out. I wish you all the best.
  - wolvoleo 5mo ago
    Here in Europe it's different, we have more rights. Unfortunately I don't have an official diagnosis but I'm definitely neurodivergent. I've been meaning to get one but it is difficult.
- abawany 5mo ago
  I was once (12 years ago) told: "they debate, they decide, we deliver" along with other "teamwork" pablum. This evil has been with us for a very long time, unfortunately.
hatsix 5mo ago
Nonsense. there are way more accommodations for people who wouldn't have had a place 20 years ago... those accommodations have changed what a "standard IC" is. There never was a place for run-of-the-mill geniuses who couldn't be bothered to spend a few hours researching P2P (Person to Person) protocols. They were always pushed off to small companies where the risk was much lower. This hasn't, won't, and shouldn't change. If that makes you salty, I got some things I'd recommend you research.
gpvos 5mo ago
IC = Independent contractor (I assume?)
- greekrich92 5mo ago
  Individual contributor i.e., non-management
- fg137 5mo ago
  https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-is-an-individual-contributor https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-is-a...
- WaitWaitWha 5mo ago
  individual contributor. Someone who has no one reporting to them.

BoorishBears 5mo ago

This is an oddly passive-aggressive comment when a much more likely read is they were relying on the funding and the large tech company did what large tech companies do and started moving slowly. And I can see others already blaming them for relying on the vulnerability for living expenses, but if we can hold the hyper-rationalization for a second, we shouldn't be against the person who expected an organization with more money than God to uphold a deal for relative peanuts, right? Like yes we all get that large orgs make spending $5 very hard, many claps for being the in-group, but their frustration would be understandable.

866-RON-0-FEZ 5mo ago
I'm supposed to feel bad that Microsoft didn't immediately wire him an advance on the bounty before validating anything? Have you ever tried to get anything corrected with a corporate payroll department? Try three months minimum. It's like suggesting someone was relying on a lottery ticket to payout to survive.
- BoorishBears 5mo ago
  I tried to be as coddling with my language as possible. Acknowledged how orgs work, separated blaming the org from sympathizing with their reaction, tried to separate the prudence of their actions from the sticky situation they'd still be left in by the orgs actions... But it was for naught: people are really ingrained in a weird "might-makes-right" model of corporate operations. "Larry Ellison is a lawnmower" was supposed to be a jeremiad but now it's more like a guiding principle that we browbeat anyone for questioning.
- array_key_first 5mo ago
  Yes and that's bad. Saying it's bad doesn't make it not-bad, it just makes it still bad but now we know it's bad.
antonvs 5mo ago
> we shouldn't be against the person who expected an organization with more money than God to uphold a deal for relative peanuts, right? You're assuming that there was a deal that wasn't upheld. I don't think we have enough information to assess that. This person's blog posts do read as being somewhat unstable. There's even someone in the comments seemingly genuinely trying to be helpful: "Just wondering if you’re BiPolar (like me) and see a different reality than what is real. Been there."

wolvoleo 5mo ago

To be honest if I got fired in a mean or unfair way I'd definitely hit back at my employer in such a manner if I'd have the ability to. I'm unlikely to have that though as I'm not aware of any saucy company secrets. But if this is what happened I think it's pretty justified. The secret here seems to be that Microsoft caches the key somewhere even when it's supposed to be only in the TPM! That's a pretty big revelation IMO.

mananaysiempre 5mo ago
> The secret here seems to be that Microsoft caches the key somewhere even when it's supposed to be only in the TPM! Not what happened here (I reserve my judgment wrt the promised TPM+PIN exploit). In the default TPM-only mode of BitLocker, the secret is in fact in the TPM, which will (as instructed by Windows upon key creation) release it to the correct OS running on the correct computer. Notably not in the picture is any user-provided data: measured boot is the only protection. It is only the correct programming of the OS that makes it request an account password (completely unrelated to the disk-encryption cryptography) before letting the user poke at the disk, which the OS can at that point already decrypt. Well, turns out the programming is such that if you ask politely it’ll just pop an Administrator(?) shell.
- wolvoleo 5mo ago
  > Not what happened here (I reserve my judgment wrt the promised TPM+PIN exploit). Yes this is the one I'm referring to. I have noticed it myself, it has happened to me that my system rebooted to install updates and it did not pass through the blue TPM pin entry screen at that point. That was a big red flag for me. A normal reboot always does that, even a 'hot' reboot.
  - mananaysiempre 5mo ago
    > A normal reboot always [forces the TPM pin entry screen], even a 'hot' reboot. In TPM-only mode, I only see the screen—which asks for an recovery key that serves an alternative to the TPM-borne secret, not for whatever you are calling the “TPM PIN” here—whenever I update the firmware or the bootloader (the latter from the other side of the dual-boot setup). Otherwise it boots straight to the login screen, which meshes with the measured-boot-only theory of operation I’ve described above. There’s nothing nefarious in this part, even if I think it exposes an unwisely large attack surface (e.g. the USB stack). I suspect you simply reboot so rarely you’re never hitting the happy path.

jrflowers 5mo ago

Adults pay rent in money, not feelings. The answer to “how could Microsoft leave you homeless?” is “by not paying you”, not some bizarre “by making you feel so bad you lose your house, which you pay for with good feelings”

txrx0000 5mo ago

Reporting wrongdoing to the ones doing it doesn't work. Perhaps they relied on Microsoft a bit too much for their livelihood and are just beginning to reevaluate their decisions. It's not so rare for brilliant people to live a life of the mind and not pay enough attention to their material conditions. But defining that as "serious mental health issues" is such a cheap shot.

866-RON-0-FEZ 5mo ago
> Reporting wrongdoing to the ones doing it doesn't work. Most large companies — including Microsoft [1] — have an internal affairs call center where you can anonymously report issues of malfeasance — assuming that's what happened here. [1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/compliance/sbc/report-a-concern https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/compliance/sbc/report-...