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Even if Europe could replace the dependence of Intel and AMD processor, for example with home grown RISC-V processor, where in Europe could such processor be ma

Even if Europe could replace the dependence of Intel and AMD processor, for example with home grown RISC-V processor, where in Europe could such processor be manufacture in a secure and somehow cost effective way? Then there are other chips and components like memory chips, network components. How about secure European network routers which for networks and datacenters in Europe? https://www.techspot.com/news/107073-researchers-uncover-hidden-backdoor-widely-used-esp32-microchip.html https://www.techspot.com/news/107073-researchers-uncover-hid... Silicon level backdoors. https://www.wired.com/2016/06/demonically-clever-backdoor-hides-inside-computer-chip/ https://www.wired.com/2016/06/demonically-clever-backdoor-hi...

dhdueii18 5mo ago
If they can make the EUV machines I doubt it’s beyond Europe to do the manufacturing at higher levels. And as commented elsewhere, ARM
- cenamus 5mo ago
  Also Siemens/Infineon. Although that's a vastly different node size, but still, there's some expertise present
  - nereye 5mo ago
    And ST (with similar considerations for node size etc.).
- jeffrallen 5mo ago
  As a European, enjoying the environmental quality of life our regulations provide, I'm ashamed to admit it might be impossible to make chips here, as it's probably a dirty industry that Europe prefers to keep offshore.
  - dadoum 5mo ago
    And you are wrong to think that in my opinion, chip manufacturing in Europe was huge 25-30 years ago (there was high-end memory chips manufacturers, high-end GPU manufacturing and cutting edge nodes in Europe at the time).
  - disgruntledphd2 5mo ago
    We make lots of chips (for mostly US based companies) in Europe, so that ship has sailed.
  - inemesitaffia 5mo ago
    There are EU/Euro fabs. Not just cutting edge or for logic
  - 627467 5mo ago
    Ahh exporting problems then shouting mindlessly why 'everyone else don't just do what we do'
- kyboren 5mo ago
  > If they can make the EUV machines [...] They can't. The EUV light source is produced by Cymer, an American subsidiary of ASML.
dadoum 5mo ago
In general, in Europe there is research infrastructure that I think could be used at a medium scale for important applications (but I am not a professional). There is the NanoIC research line at imec (2nm), CEA-Leti incomming 7nm FD-SOI pilot lines, and in terms of full production lines, Global Foundries Dresden (12 nm), ESMC (12 nm, in construction), and the various FeRAM/FMC projects I can't keep track of (Neumonda for example). I would be more worried about designs, because outside of ARM (and Imagination Tech, both in the UK), I don't know any competitive European designs. (about routers NXP already makes router chips with accelerators on top of ARM cores, used for example in the Mono Gateway, but they are fabbed on old TSMC nodes)

dhdueii18 5mo ago

If they can make the EUV machines I doubt it’s beyond Europe to do the manufacturing at higher levels. And as commented elsewhere, ARM

cenamus 5mo ago
Also Siemens/Infineon. Although that's a vastly different node size, but still, there's some expertise present
- nereye 5mo ago
  And ST (with similar considerations for node size etc.).
jeffrallen 5mo ago
As a European, enjoying the environmental quality of life our regulations provide, I'm ashamed to admit it might be impossible to make chips here, as it's probably a dirty industry that Europe prefers to keep offshore.
- dadoum 5mo ago
  And you are wrong to think that in my opinion, chip manufacturing in Europe was huge 25-30 years ago (there was high-end memory chips manufacturers, high-end GPU manufacturing and cutting edge nodes in Europe at the time).
- disgruntledphd2 5mo ago
  We make lots of chips (for mostly US based companies) in Europe, so that ship has sailed.
- inemesitaffia 5mo ago
  There are EU/Euro fabs. Not just cutting edge or for logic
- 627467 5mo ago
  Ahh exporting problems then shouting mindlessly why 'everyone else don't just do what we do'
kyboren 5mo ago
> If they can make the EUV machines [...] They can't. The EUV light source is produced by Cymer, an American subsidiary of ASML.

dadoum 5mo ago

In general, in Europe there is research infrastructure that I think could be used at a medium scale for important applications (but I am not a professional). There is the NanoIC research line at imec (2nm), CEA-Leti incomming 7nm FD-SOI pilot lines, and in terms of full production lines, Global Foundries Dresden (12 nm), ESMC (12 nm, in construction), and the various FeRAM/FMC projects I can't keep track of (Neumonda for example). I would be more worried about designs, because outside of ARM (and Imagination Tech, both in the UK), I don't know any competitive European designs. (about routers NXP already makes router chips with accelerators on top of ARM cores, used for example in the Mono Gateway, but they are fabbed on old TSMC nodes)