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There has been no violence at any of the previous marches iirc. I think people assume there must have been because Starmer and co are foaming for violence...but

There has been no violence at any of the previous marches iirc. I think people assume there must have been because Starmer and co are foaming for violence...but there weren't. Also, they have banned 11 people from getting visas because they were "agitators" and are deploying 4k police officers. Just as a reminder though, the UK has people standing for political office who were convicted of terrorist offences, we have people here leading terrorist groups in other countries, we have people turning up illegally who are carrying out terrorist attacks in the UK regularly...it is a very odd situation. One of the groups at the pro-Palestine protest is also funded by the same groups that fund Labour. There has obviously been quite a bit of violence at these events and adherents of this ideology have carried out terrorist attacks in the UK...but they are allied with a group that funds Labour so...all good.

pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
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- nailer 5mo ago
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      All those things happened. The false narrative is pretending they didn’t.
adi_kurian 5mo ago
Are the Met lying in these FOI request responses? https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/disclosure-2025/october-2025/injuries-arrests-unite-kingdom-march/ https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/disclos...
- skippyboxedhero 5mo ago
  I believe the total number of attendees was 150k. The same thing happened with student loans protest where the police go in very hard and manage to produce the arrests required. But the vast majority of people do not go to commit violence. Same thing happens at pro-Palestine protests and every other protest (although due to the funding situation and the executive structure of the Met, the policing guidance given to those protests tends to be different). And btw, yes it is possible the Met are lying. There have been multiple FOIs in the recent past where police forces have lied about this kind of thing. Aston Villa policing being one of the most obvious examples. It isn't particularly relevant to this case though but, given the massive changes in policing over the last few decades, it is generally wise to be cautious. This is why the IOPC exists and has been so critical of the Met.
KaiserPro 5mo ago
> There has been no violence at any of the previous marches iirc. His last protest was in september, it was pretty violent. 26 police officers were injured. Tommy robison has the advantage here in that its not illegal to express public support for him and his march, unlike palestine action where its very much illegal to do so (hence why there are >2000 arrests) > they have banned 11 people from getting visas because they were "agitators" if this is a march for uniting the british realm why would he need foreigners to speak? Last time Musk incited violent overthrow of the UK government. Which is rich coming from a fucking Afrikaner. > we have people turning up illegally who are carrying out terrorist attacks in the UK regularly...it is a very odd situation. Nice I see what you did there. Everyone immigrant is a terrorist. Look, if people turn up illegally, then its fair to process them fairly and return. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is changing the law so its impossible to do that, unless we pay £300k a year to send 4000 people to an african country. yes, just 4k people, not a year, total. The biggest issue facing the UK is that we have not had a working government since 2007. We also have foreigners people paying people £300 to fire bomb ambulance stations. Its almost like theres a vested interest in fomenting unrest...
- graemep 5mo ago
  > His last protest was in september, it was pretty violent. 26 police officers were injured. Given the number of people involved, that is a pretty low level of violence. > unlike palestine action where its very much illegal to do so (hence why there are >2000 arrests) Specifically the arrests were for supporting a group banned as a terrorist group. I am opposed to that law, but its important to be clear why they were arrested. > if this is a march for uniting the british realm why would he need foreigners to speak More fundamentally, visas are issued at the discretion of the government. I can think of people with far better cases for entering the country who have been refused visas - for example, academics attending conferences. I wonder how many of the people protesting about these 11 people getting visas were upset about those? > unless we pay £300k a year to send 4000 people to an african country. yes, just 4k people, not a year, total. That is just £75 a year per person. it is a LOT cheaper than keeping them in the UK. I think they get something like £50/week if not in catered accommodation. > Look, if people turn up illegally, then its fair to process them fairly and return. There is nothing wrong with that What is wrong with the current process is that it is slow and inefficient. There is also a problem with what to do with those who do not have documents as its hard to return them without evidence of where they should be returned to. It is also grossly unfair as it actually lets in a lot of people who have no real claim while a lot of people who are genuine refugees cannot get here: look at the ratio of people belonging to religious minorities vs majority from Iraq or Syria. In 2025 there were over 2k asylum claims from Sri Lankans, a safe country (the civil war is long over). There are a lot of other countries I am sceptical about but do not have the same direct knowledge of. Why not send people who are clearly from a safe country back immediately? > The biggest issue facing the UK is that we have not had a working government since 2007 I think that is optimistic. I would put the date a lot earlier!

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    All those things happened. The false narrative is pretending they didn’t.

adi_kurian 5mo ago

Are the Met lying in these FOI request responses? https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/disclosure-2025/october-2025/injuries-arrests-unite-kingdom-march/ https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/disclos...

skippyboxedhero 5mo ago
I believe the total number of attendees was 150k. The same thing happened with student loans protest where the police go in very hard and manage to produce the arrests required. But the vast majority of people do not go to commit violence. Same thing happens at pro-Palestine protests and every other protest (although due to the funding situation and the executive structure of the Met, the policing guidance given to those protests tends to be different). And btw, yes it is possible the Met are lying. There have been multiple FOIs in the recent past where police forces have lied about this kind of thing. Aston Villa policing being one of the most obvious examples. It isn't particularly relevant to this case though but, given the massive changes in policing over the last few decades, it is generally wise to be cautious. This is why the IOPC exists and has been so critical of the Met.

KaiserPro 5mo ago

> There has been no violence at any of the previous marches iirc. His last protest was in september, it was pretty violent. 26 police officers were injured. Tommy robison has the advantage here in that its not illegal to express public support for him and his march, unlike palestine action where its very much illegal to do so (hence why there are >2000 arrests) > they have banned 11 people from getting visas because they were "agitators" if this is a march for uniting the british realm why would he need foreigners to speak? Last time Musk incited violent overthrow of the UK government. Which is rich coming from a fucking Afrikaner. > we have people turning up illegally who are carrying out terrorist attacks in the UK regularly...it is a very odd situation. Nice I see what you did there. Everyone immigrant is a terrorist. Look, if people turn up illegally, then its fair to process them fairly and return. There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is changing the law so its impossible to do that, unless we pay £300k a year to send 4000 people to an african country. yes, just 4k people, not a year, total. The biggest issue facing the UK is that we have not had a working government since 2007. We also have foreigners people paying people £300 to fire bomb ambulance stations. Its almost like theres a vested interest in fomenting unrest...

graemep 5mo ago
> His last protest was in september, it was pretty violent. 26 police officers were injured. Given the number of people involved, that is a pretty low level of violence. > unlike palestine action where its very much illegal to do so (hence why there are >2000 arrests) Specifically the arrests were for supporting a group banned as a terrorist group. I am opposed to that law, but its important to be clear why they were arrested. > if this is a march for uniting the british realm why would he need foreigners to speak More fundamentally, visas are issued at the discretion of the government. I can think of people with far better cases for entering the country who have been refused visas - for example, academics attending conferences. I wonder how many of the people protesting about these 11 people getting visas were upset about those? > unless we pay £300k a year to send 4000 people to an african country. yes, just 4k people, not a year, total. That is just £75 a year per person. it is a LOT cheaper than keeping them in the UK. I think they get something like £50/week if not in catered accommodation. > Look, if people turn up illegally, then its fair to process them fairly and return. There is nothing wrong with that What is wrong with the current process is that it is slow and inefficient. There is also a problem with what to do with those who do not have documents as its hard to return them without evidence of where they should be returned to. It is also grossly unfair as it actually lets in a lot of people who have no real claim while a lot of people who are genuine refugees cannot get here: look at the ratio of people belonging to religious minorities vs majority from Iraq or Syria. In 2025 there were over 2k asylum claims from Sri Lankans, a safe country (the civil war is long over). There are a lot of other countries I am sceptical about but do not have the same direct knowledge of. Why not send people who are clearly from a safe country back immediately? > The biggest issue facing the UK is that we have not had a working government since 2007 I think that is optimistic. I would put the date a lot earlier!