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Oh look it's more of exactly what AI skeptics said would happen: low effort bullshit generated at scale making life hell for people actually trying to make thin
by ToucanLoucan 5mo ago
Oh look it's more of exactly what AI skeptics said would happen: low effort bullshit generated at scale making life hell for people actually trying to make things. That's wild.
Edit: it is genuinely wild, I don't know of another product category that selects so perfectly for the WORST type of person to be it's enthusiast. Just every single person I see hyped about AI is fucking insufferable on at least one and usually multiple axis.
- jquery 5mo agoI think people would be more interested in listening to "AI skeptics" if they offered realistic solutions to the problems they predict. Pandora's box has been opened, let's deal with the consequences now instead of trying to shut the box which cannot be shut.
- ToucanLoucan 5mo ago> I think people would be more interested in listening to "AI skeptics" if they offered realistic solutions to the problems they predict. AI is the fucking problem. Yes, it has (some) uses. It is not nearly the number advertised. And more and more the median use case seems to be, again, overloading people actually trying to do work with an avalanche of bullshit. The solution is exactly what the linked article says: shut it down. The AI people have ruined another good thing that was both beneficial to the project, and to a number of individuals.
- dale_glass 5mo ago> The solution is exactly what the linked article says: shut it down. At this point it's impossible, so I concur with the parent: forget about the shutting it down and think of something actually realistic.
- jcgrillo 5mo ago> forget about the shutting it down and think of something actually realistic. Why is it not realistic? Small teams do excellent work. Keep your team small and trusted. Only accept contributions from your team, and people outside your team who are personally vouched for by someone on your team. It's like climbing mountains or sailing or any other type of inherently risky activity--you don't go out with people you don't trust. It's eminently possible, you just don't like the idea of it.
- dale_glass 5mo agoThat's not shutting anything down, that's just being selective with what you accept, and everyone did that already to some extent. Even pre-AI it was obvious that contributions have to be vetted for a bunch of reasons.
- jcgrillo 5mo agoRight, so the Github "open contributions" model where anyone can open an issue or a PR or otherwise waste a maintainer's time is broken. Fundamentally insecure under this type of attack. Now that the exploit is being used widely, and costing us immensely, we need to put a lid on it. If the only way to guarantee an AI bot (or its meatspace sock puppet) doesn't waste your time is to move to a "look but don't touch" model, then that's what we need to do. I think this would be a reasonable default: Public repos are read only except for contributors who have been given specific permission, and those permissions are granular e.g. in order of increasing damage potential: - comment on issue - create issue - comment on PR - create PR - run CI against PR - etc. In other words, shut it down.
- duskdozer 5mo agoI think I saw this on here yesterday: https://github.com/mitchellh/vouch https://github.com/mitchellh/vouch Not great for privacy or ad-hoc contributions, but I don't see a way out of the muck without some kind of trust net.
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- miyoji 5mo agoThis response is incredibly annoying and insufferable. It's only "impossible" at this point because people continually ignored skeptics and anyone warning about exactly these outcomes. Now that doom is here, it's too late to do anything about it. Just accept the doom!
- dale_glass 5mo agoThe critics didn't do themselves any favors. Part think the Terminator has something useful to say on the subject, part invent contrived scenarios like self-driving cars having to resolve trolley problems. Reality turned out to be much more boring. But yes, what you said but unironically. Like it or not it's here, it's not going away, so all the remaining options have to assume that.
- miyoji 5mo ago> The critics didn't do themselves any favors. Part think the Terminator has something useful to say on the subject, part invent contrived scenarios like self-driving cars having to resolve trolley problems. Reality turned out to be much more boring. You do very well in battles against straw men.
- bcjdjsndon 5mo agoI guarantee you AI will not end the world
- shimman 5mo agoNo one serious is arguing it will destroy the world (outside of LLM companies using these people as free marketing), the real critics argue that this is going to weaken labor while all the benefits go to the few capitalists and nothing ultimately improves in regards to society. Unless improvement for you means increase cancer rates, exacerbating the climate crisis, or using poor systems to kill school children in wars. All outcomes humans with souls typically want to avoid.
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- vovavili 5mo agoWhat an unreasonably maximalist opinion.
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- b65e8bee43c2ed0 5mo ago>The solution is exactly what the linked article says: shut it down. China says no. what are you going to do now, sanction it? =)
- overgard 5mo ago"We created a massive problem but it's up to you, the people that never wanted this, to clean up our mess."
- jquery 5mo agoI never said it was up to AI Skeptics to “clean up the mess”. I just said if they want to be part of the conversation, realistic solutions need to be on the table. Of course, I suspect you knew that.
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- xandrius 5mo agoTo be fair, you're not making a compelling case for your team either.
- ToucanLoucan 5mo ago[flagged]
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- shimman 5mo agoSure if you close your eyes and ignore the evidence all around you...
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- jcgrillo 5mo agoWeb3 is the closest analogue in recent memory, but if you go back further to the pre-enlightenment era (and some pockets of more recent history, particularly in isolated rural/colonial regions) you can see similar behaviors. It's mad religious fervor coupled with poor education. They see what their beliefs tell them they should see, and lack the mental rigor to analyze the actual data. Not their fault! It's our fault for letting them into the profession. Other disciplines are much better at keeping these folks outside the gates.
- micromacrofoot 5mo agofor every person that's hyping AI there are another 10 just using it to get stuff done without talking about it incessantly
- miyoji 5mo agoYeah, those 10 people are getting really useful stuff done, like submitting nonsense bugs to Turso in an attempt to get bug bounties.
- replwoacause 5mo agoI'm using it to do harder work and more of it for my employer for the same pay.
- micromacrofoot 5mo agothat's the spirit champ, surely management will notice soon and reward our fervor
- replwoacause 5mo agoCrypto gives AI it a pretty good run for its money in this regard, though the Venn diagram here is probably close to a perfect circle.