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Threatening to tax people who enter your house is still vastly different from physically apprehending anyone who tries to enter your house even if they're willi

Threatening to tax people who enter your house is still vastly different from physically apprehending anyone who tries to enter your house even if they're willing to pay the tax. The difference between a blockade and an embargo is not small: the former is an act of war. If you really think this is no meaningful distinction between a blockade and an embargo, then how about you just correctly refer to it as an embargo? If there really is no meaningful distinction then why not just use the right word?

ceejayoz 5mo ago
> If you really think this is no meaningful distinction between a blockade and an embargo, then how about you just correctly refer to it as an embargo? I think you're very focused on finding reasons the blockade isn't one, to the point of some severe contortions. I'm not sure why you think the US is leery of acts of war; we've committed a bunch in the last year, including multiple preemptive decapatation strikes of world leaders. You think it's an embargo; I (and much of the world) think it's a blockade. Whoever's right, this'd be deeply shitty antisocial behavior if you did it to your neighbor, and likely to lead to blows.
- Manuel_D 5mo ago
  The severe contortions are on the end of people trying to call this a blockade. These terms have long established definitions. A blockade is a unilateral action where a country seizes vessels that try to dock at the blockaded country. It's an act of war. This is not what's happening in Cuba. Countries are deciding to participate in the embargo because they don't want to have their exports to the US tariffed. Emphasis on decided. These countries have the option to continue trading with Cuba and having their imports tariffed. A blockade does not afford other countries that option. The Royal Navy seized any and all vessels bound to Germany during WW1. There was no option to simply accept a tariff and continue trading with Germany. Because this was a blockade not an embargo. > we've committed a bunch in the last year, including multiple preemptive decapatation strikes of world leaders. Correct, like a blockade, those are indeed acts of war. If the US was bombing Cuba, then the US would indeed be at war with Cuba. But that's not happening in Cuba.
  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    > A blockade is a unilateral action where a country seizes vessels that try to dock at the blockaded country. Extensive evidence of this occurring has been repeatedly presented to you.
    - Manuel_D 5mo ago
      No, it hasn't. The ships that were seized were flying false flags. They're subject to seizure regardless of the embargo.
      - ceejayoz 5mo ago
        A thin layer of plausible deniability does not stop something from being a blockade.
        Manuel_D 5mo ago
        What stops it from being a blockade is the fact that ships that are legally registered continue to dock in Cuba.
        ceejayoz 5mo ago
        That’s disingenuous. The blockade is specific to oil.
        Manuel_D 5mo ago
        Ships carrying oil are free to dock in Cuba. But whatever country is selling that oil will be subject to tariffs in the US. You can call it a blockade a thousand times, that doesn't make it true.
        ceejayoz 5mo ago
        > Ships carrying oil are free to dock in Cuba. You know this isn’t true, but continue to assert it. I gave you a link to a non-false flag tanker that was forced away by the Coast Guard and escorted out for several days.

ceejayoz 5mo ago

> If you really think this is no meaningful distinction between a blockade and an embargo, then how about you just correctly refer to it as an embargo? I think you're very focused on finding reasons the blockade isn't one, to the point of some severe contortions. I'm not sure why you think the US is leery of acts of war; we've committed a bunch in the last year, including multiple preemptive decapatation strikes of world leaders. You think it's an embargo; I (and much of the world) think it's a blockade. Whoever's right, this'd be deeply shitty antisocial behavior if you did it to your neighbor, and likely to lead to blows.

Manuel_D 5mo ago
The severe contortions are on the end of people trying to call this a blockade. These terms have long established definitions. A blockade is a unilateral action where a country seizes vessels that try to dock at the blockaded country. It's an act of war. This is not what's happening in Cuba. Countries are deciding to participate in the embargo because they don't want to have their exports to the US tariffed. Emphasis on decided. These countries have the option to continue trading with Cuba and having their imports tariffed. A blockade does not afford other countries that option. The Royal Navy seized any and all vessels bound to Germany during WW1. There was no option to simply accept a tariff and continue trading with Germany. Because this was a blockade not an embargo. > we've committed a bunch in the last year, including multiple preemptive decapatation strikes of world leaders. Correct, like a blockade, those are indeed acts of war. If the US was bombing Cuba, then the US would indeed be at war with Cuba. But that's not happening in Cuba.
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  > A blockade is a unilateral action where a country seizes vessels that try to dock at the blockaded country. Extensive evidence of this occurring has been repeatedly presented to you.
  - Manuel_D 5mo ago
    No, it hasn't. The ships that were seized were flying false flags. They're subject to seizure regardless of the embargo.
    - ceejayoz 5mo ago
      A thin layer of plausible deniability does not stop something from being a blockade.
      - Manuel_D 5mo ago
        What stops it from being a blockade is the fact that ships that are legally registered continue to dock in Cuba.
        ceejayoz 5mo ago
        That’s disingenuous. The blockade is specific to oil.
        Manuel_D 5mo ago
        Ships carrying oil are free to dock in Cuba. But whatever country is selling that oil will be subject to tariffs in the US. You can call it a blockade a thousand times, that doesn't make it true.
        ceejayoz 5mo ago
        > Ships carrying oil are free to dock in Cuba. You know this isn’t true, but continue to assert it. I gave you a link to a non-false flag tanker that was forced away by the Coast Guard and escorted out for several days.