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German intelligence offices snub Palantir software

76 points by abawany 5mo ago

BonoboIO 5mo ago
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bpodgursky 5mo ago
German intelligence offices snub all software period, the specificity is just attention-grabbing journalism.
- pdpi 5mo ago
  > Germany's domestic intelligence agency has reportedly chosen a data analysis system from France, instead of US-based Palantir. That's the summary from the article, and directly contradicts your point that they're snubbing all software.
- dj_johnsonMid 5mo ago
  pdpi is right that the article contradicts it, but there's something to the underlying point. The GFF lawyer applies the same black box critique to ChapsVision too, right there in the article. The constitutional requirement the courts are pushing toward, show your reasoning, prove it respects rights, is provider agnostic. So the BfV maybe solved the sovereignty problem and not the transparency one.
groby_b 5mo ago
Obviously. Any European nation that doesn't treat America and companies ultimately under US political control a strategic risk would have to be asleep at the wheel. "Perfidious" is the word. Palantir doubly so, since it has close ties to the current regime. (No, this is not a political discussion - it's simply about proximity to power, and the interests of said power) The US-European alliance is on its deathbed.
- uejfiweun 5mo ago
  Isn't this a good thing though? Europe becomes more self-reliant and less dependent on US technology, the US is able to refocus to the Pacific which is a more strategically relevant area, the anti-US people in Europe become happy, and the anti-Europe people in the US become happy. It's not like tourism or cultural distance is going to disappear. All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway.
  - esseph 5mo ago
    > All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway. https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/royal-marine-commandos-are-getting-knights-armament-rifles/ https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/royal-marine-command...
    - esseph 5mo ago
      Also: - F-35 Lightning II (Joint Strike Fighter) Program: The UK is the only Tier 1 partner in this program, procuring F-35B aircraft for the Royal Navy/RAF and considering F-35A variants. - Trident Nuclear Missile System: A continuation of the 1982 amendment to the Polaris Sales Agreement, the US provides Trident D5 submarine-launched ballistic missiles for the UK’s Vanguard-class and future Dreadnought-class submarines.AUKUS Submarine Combat Systems - Boeing P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft: The UK procured nine P-8A aircraft to improve maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare capabilities, with deliveries starting in 2019. - AH-64D/E Apache Attack Helicopters: The UK acquired Boeing Apache gunships, later upgrading them to the AH-64E standard. - C-17 Globemaster III Transport Aircraft: The Royal Air Force acquired and has maintained a fleet of Boeing C-17s for strategic airlift. - MQ-9 Reaper & Protector Uncrewed Aerial Systems (UAS): The UK operates MQ-9 Reaper drones and is transitioning to the improved MQ-9B Protector (Protector RG Mk 1) to modernize its surveillance and strike capabilities. - Chinook Helicopters: Ongoing procurement and upgrading of Boeing Chinook heavy-lift helicopters for the Royal Air Force. - Hellfire and Guided Missiles These are just some of the more expensive programs of procurement the UK has done with US arms since 1991. I'm not suggesting the UK buys everything it needs from the US, but it has a habit of doing a lot of it.
moomin 5mo ago
Smart. You very much do not want your nation’s security entangled with an organisation with such marked and explicit political stances.
- dinfinity 5mo ago
  > You very much do not want your nation’s security entangled with an organisation with such marked and explicit political stances. Unless you don't really have a choice, like Ukraine. It's like being in an abusive relationship they can't (yet) get out of. Interesting times with regards to geopolitics.
dj_johnsonMid 5mo ago
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shevy-java 5mo ago
Palantir is active in Ukraine though. I understand the point of view of Ukraine, mind you, but I fail to see why european money goes into US mega-corporations. That seems incredibly stupid and short-sighted. Germany in particular has no real consistent strategy here. I don't quite like Macron, but a ton of criticism pertaining to Germay is correct. Quo vadis, Germany? Make up your mind.
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76 points by abawany 5mo ago

BonoboIO 5mo ago

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bpodgursky 5mo ago

German intelligence offices snub all software period, the specificity is just attention-grabbing journalism.

pdpi 5mo ago
> Germany's domestic intelligence agency has reportedly chosen a data analysis system from France, instead of US-based Palantir. That's the summary from the article, and directly contradicts your point that they're snubbing all software.
dj_johnsonMid 5mo ago
pdpi is right that the article contradicts it, but there's something to the underlying point. The GFF lawyer applies the same black box critique to ChapsVision too, right there in the article. The constitutional requirement the courts are pushing toward, show your reasoning, prove it respects rights, is provider agnostic. So the BfV maybe solved the sovereignty problem and not the transparency one.

groby_b 5mo ago

Obviously. Any European nation that doesn't treat America and companies ultimately under US political control a strategic risk would have to be asleep at the wheel. "Perfidious" is the word. Palantir doubly so, since it has close ties to the current regime. (No, this is not a political discussion - it's simply about proximity to power, and the interests of said power) The US-European alliance is on its deathbed.

uejfiweun 5mo ago
Isn't this a good thing though? Europe becomes more self-reliant and less dependent on US technology, the US is able to refocus to the Pacific which is a more strategically relevant area, the anti-US people in Europe become happy, and the anti-Europe people in the US become happy. It's not like tourism or cultural distance is going to disappear. All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway.
- esseph 5mo ago
  > All that disappears is the military entanglement, which to be honest, was mostly obsolete after 1991 anyway. https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/royal-marine-commandos-are-getting-knights-armament-rifles/ https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/royal-marine-command...
  - esseph 5mo ago
    Also: - F-35 Lightning II (Joint Strike Fighter) Program: The UK is the only Tier 1 partner in this program, procuring F-35B aircraft for the Royal Navy/RAF and considering F-35A variants. - Trident Nuclear Missile System: A continuation of the 1982 amendment to the Polaris Sales Agreement, the US provides Trident D5 submarine-launched ballistic missiles for the UK’s Vanguard-class and future Dreadnought-class submarines.AUKUS Submarine Combat Systems - Boeing P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft: The UK procured nine P-8A aircraft to improve maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare capabilities, with deliveries starting in 2019. - AH-64D/E Apache Attack Helicopters: The UK acquired Boeing Apache gunships, later upgrading them to the AH-64E standard. - C-17 Globemaster III Transport Aircraft: The Royal Air Force acquired and has maintained a fleet of Boeing C-17s for strategic airlift. - MQ-9 Reaper & Protector Uncrewed Aerial Systems (UAS): The UK operates MQ-9 Reaper drones and is transitioning to the improved MQ-9B Protector (Protector RG Mk 1) to modernize its surveillance and strike capabilities. - Chinook Helicopters: Ongoing procurement and upgrading of Boeing Chinook heavy-lift helicopters for the Royal Air Force. - Hellfire and Guided Missiles These are just some of the more expensive programs of procurement the UK has done with US arms since 1991. I'm not suggesting the UK buys everything it needs from the US, but it has a habit of doing a lot of it.

moomin 5mo ago

Smart. You very much do not want your nation’s security entangled with an organisation with such marked and explicit political stances.

dinfinity 5mo ago
> You very much do not want your nation’s security entangled with an organisation with such marked and explicit political stances. Unless you don't really have a choice, like Ukraine. It's like being in an abusive relationship they can't (yet) get out of. Interesting times with regards to geopolitics.

dj_johnsonMid 5mo ago

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shevy-java 5mo ago

Palantir is active in Ukraine though. I understand the point of view of Ukraine, mind you, but I fail to see why european money goes into US mega-corporations. That seems incredibly stupid and short-sighted. Germany in particular has no real consistent strategy here. I don't quite like Macron, but a ton of criticism pertaining to Germay is correct. Quo vadis, Germany? Make up your mind.

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